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Topic: Who lowers their 6th string 2 whole tones? |
David Hartley
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 3:36 pm |
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I tried to adjust my guitar to do this on my LKV (which presently lowers the 6th by 1 whole tone to F#) but could only manage to get 1 1/2 tones (to an F).. I was wondering who has this on their steels and what guitar it is, and is it modified to do this lower, and what guage string you use?
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 4:14 pm
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At one time, Paul Franklin was doing that. There was some discussion about it here on the Forum a few years ago.
CLICK HERE
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Cameron Parsons
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Angleton, Texas
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 5:23 pm
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| I have that change on LKV. I use a .020 plain. It is on a Carter with no modification. I love the unique phrases that can be played with that change. LKV also lowers my 1st string 1/2 tone. (F# - F). |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 9:10 pm
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Here's a link to Paul Franklin's website. It's a video of a live performance by The Players of Brent Mason's song "My Little Ballerina" in which PF uses the 6th string 2 whole tone lower during his short (16-bar) solo (at bar 5).
http://www.paul-franklin.com/Players%202%20web.mov
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 9:15 pm
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I was able to do it easily on my MSA Legend using a .020 plain although getting it to split well was another thing  |
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David Hartley
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 11:22 pm Jim
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| Jim Palenscar wrote: |
| getting it to split well was another thing |
What do you mean?
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David Hartley
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Posted 11 Apr 2008 11:29 pm Hi
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| Cameron Parsons wrote: |
| I have that change on LKV. I use a .020 plain. |
I may try a .020plain and see what I get.. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 12:56 am
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great change, I forgot all about it.
Thanks for that clip , we were there that night and I forgot all about the two tone drop...
I guess we need another Franklin Pedal ! ! ( f2)
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 3:01 am
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I tried it once on my old steel, but took it off shortly later. Like the 1st string (whole tone) raise, it gets hackneyed and overused very fast. It's what most would term a "lick pedal", and a lot of pros used to scorn that type of thing. Lately, though, many steelers seem addicted to them. 
"That's a neat lick!"
Yeah, but it wears out awfully fast. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 3:56 am
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Well I certainly don't disagree with Donny, but the issue to me is this..
IF you only know 5 licks, and the two step drop is one of them, yeh, you're in trouble. But, if you are polished and practiced up, and have a wide arsenal of STUFF in the cranial region, this is just one more to use to embellish your music.
No different than the 6 string, it is capable of countless chords, but some folks go thru an entire career playing just three...the same three... |
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Richard Lester
From:
Constable, New York, USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 4:19 am lowering the 6th
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I have been using a 20 ga.for the 6th and lowering it 2 whole tones for a lot of years. I play a Zum and a GFI keyless and use my LRL lever to accomplish the change. To me, I wouln't have it any other way, and it works great on my Zum.
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Marco Schouten
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Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 5:54 am
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| Tony Prior wrote: |
Well I certainly don't disagree with Donny, but the issue to me is this..
IF you only know 5 licks, ......... |
You mean I have to learn more than one ????
I'm in trouble....
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 6:21 am
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I do scorn well- one might say it's habituated at this point  ~~~ as for the split- I would lower it 2 tones- to an E note- then split it with the B pedal to get an F# and it was a tough go- pretty far drop to get a routine split on~~ |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 10:05 am
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| Tony Prior wrote: |
Well I certainly don't disagree with Donny, but the issue to me is this..
IF you only know 5 licks, and the two step drop is one of them, yeh, you're in trouble. But, if you are polished and practiced up, and have a wide arsenal of STUFF in the cranial region, this is just one more to use to embellish your music. |
It's okay to disagree with me, Tony! I like it when people "push back", and the issue here is just as you state it. I have nothing against "licks", that's where most of my own talent is oriented. The issue is simply that many players (myself included...in the beginning) seek different licks through more pedals as the basis of what they do. Their logic, usually, is something like this..."If I put some neat pedal on my guitar they don't have, then I'll be able to do something they like, or they can't do!" Of course, the only flaw in this logic is that...very soon, your guitar gets "maxed out" with pedals and levers, and these other guys still come along and "smoke" you. In my years, I've heard many players do far more real playing with 1 or 2 levers than some do with 8 or 9.
Put more simply, if the only way you can expand upon (and improve) what you do is to just add pedals and levers, you're going to hit a stone wall very shortly. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 1:08 pm
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On my MSA Legend it's on my left knee vertical. The guitar easily lowers the .022PL string two whole tones. Make sure you start with the split tuning screw adjusted all the way out or it may limit how far the changer will lower the string.
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pdl20
From:
Benton, Ar . USA,
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Posted 12 Apr 2008 9:42 pm 6th lowered 2 tones
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| My Mullen Pre-G2 will do it with a 22 plain.Didn't adjusted it with a split.i learned to do it with a whole tone lower and catch the 8th string.did a session and it sounded ok. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2008 6:48 pm
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Pauls Dad told me that Paul Jr switches his guitar around from lowering the 6th 2 whole tones to other times raising it 1 2/2 tones but never both at the same time because he wants to save a lowering hole for a compensator on the 6th string. Both are very neat changes in my mind. Some of the changes we consider as a "lick" actually are very musical sounding even though they don't necessarily help get a great chord. Paul has used both of these changes to create some very nice new sounds. I currently have the 1 1/2 tone raise on my 6th string on the guitars that have enough levers.
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Apr 2008 7:10 pm hi
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My RKL on my Williams makes this change and goes even farther, this thing is something else. My RKL is moving 4 strings hooked to it, 1 on C6.
ernie
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