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John Billings
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Posted 27 Mar 2008 6:19 am |
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I've got a question posted over on the "No Pedals" board. People are lookin' but not answering! I suppose they're not takin' the question seriously cuz I'm playin' a jazz standard, "Misty" on bottleneck. I know, I know! But it's been a long, cold winter here in Cleveland, and the shop's too cold to work on my Shobuds!
So, any of you theory heads, I'd really appreciate the help!
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=130972
Now at:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=130972
I'd still really appreciate an answer. Please look at it as a theory question, and not a bottleneck question. I'm playin' "Misty" in a jazz chord melody style. Because I wear my slide on the ring finger, I'm able to fret above and behind the bar, producing big, fat jazz chords, unexpectedly, on a bottleneck.
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John Roche
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Posted 27 Mar 2008 6:30 am
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Steve Norman
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Posted 27 Mar 2008 8:49 am
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F#sus4 add 7b5
resolves to the g because f# is the major 7 of G
F# = tonic
B = sus4
E= b7
c=b5
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2008 8:55 am
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Thank you! Steve! So,,, would the first chord be a C9th, or maybe Ami11?
High to low, it reads:D, G, E, C, with a D in the bass. C9th/D? |
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Steve Norman
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Seattle Washington, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 12:43 pm
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Cadd9
c=1
e=3
g=5
d=9
put a b7 in for a c9 ceg(bflat) d
put a 7 in for cmaj9 cegbd
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John Billings
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 1:22 pm
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Thanks Steve! I've got the verses down, although they're wickedly hard to play. Gonna take some more practice to get it smooth. Gotta drill into my brain what I have to do to get some of the chords, because the whole arrangement is so decidedly "un-bottleneck." Tons of fretting in front of, and behind, the slide.
The bridge is turning out to be quite a bit tougher than the verse. Hard to find a way to play the bass notes. |
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Steve Norman
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Seattle Washington, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 3:11 pm
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good luck,, when I play bottleneck it sounds like someone beating a cat with a bagpipe
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 3:49 pm
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| D13th |
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John Steele (deceased)
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 4:16 pm
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Yep. I'm with Stuart. D13
-John |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 4:37 pm
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| D13 agrees with the Garner music that I'm trying to follow. |
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basilh
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 4:57 pm
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D13/A
Being as the B is ABOVE the C, then it's obviously a thirteenth, it's not always practical or indeed necessary to include the 11th note.
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From the top = 13th, 3rd, 9th, 7th, and of course the 5th on the bass, as you said. |
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 5:11 pm
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| That old tonic note got jilted again. Somebody give me a tonic! |
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Steve Norman
From:
Seattle Washington, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 5:14 pm
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woops,,sorry bout that! 
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Edward Meisse
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 11:10 pm
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Yup, it's a D13. That's what it is alright. Like I said before, based only on the notes in the chord there are sveral possibilities. The fact that it resolves to the G means that it is a D13.
Whenever I do this I make sure to disclaim any intention to vilify or humiliate the person I suggest it to. For purposes of learning the rudimentry basics of theory you might try, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Theory." The Idiot's Guide's are a great place to begin anything. I have several myself.
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Steve Norman
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Posted 3 Apr 2008 9:17 am
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I think the resolves have as many possibilities as the inversions. To me the most common resolve is based on the 7 not the tonic of a chord
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Edward Meisse
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Posted 3 Apr 2008 9:25 am
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Whenever you are moving from a defacto V chord to a defacto I chord, the resolve is based on the relationship between the 3rd and the 7th of the V chord which normally resolve to the root and 3rd of the I. Once again, I recommend the above book.
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Steve Norman
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Posted 3 Apr 2008 9:48 am
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hmmm..I thought thats what I said as well...
Edward I am not sure if the book recommendation was for me...But I do have a good grasp of theory so I feel the need to defend my statments. My naming was correct, my logic for the resolve is correct, just not the most appropriate for the key. I was thinking only chord to chord.
Since extended chords are built on top of the 7, whether the 7 is played or not, it is the 7th scale degree that controls the resolve of the chord relative to the root chord. The other chord qualities beyond the 7th color the chord. So when dealing with a 7th chord or higher we have to look at its position relative to the root 1 major to find its place in a song, (which I didnt do)but from chord to chord (which I did do); Resolves can happen on a smaller scale based on the notes contained in the chords.
There is more than one resolve going in a song at any given moment. The v7th resolving to IV or I is true, and the most obvious, but the lesser resolves in more complicated songs are happening every time a chord releases tension.
Thank you for the book recommendation, but the resolve I am talking about is in fact correct, the chord name I gave is correct but the for the wrong key.
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Edward Meisse
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Posted 3 Apr 2008 11:55 pm
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Sorry, Steve. Didn't mean to make myself sound so abrasive. I think what I'm trying to get at here is just a couple of things. The notes in question could be called many things, including what you called them. Even given a context, more than one answer could be correct. I usally try to take the simplest possible answer at all times. But especially when trying to give a brief answer to someone who appears to be confessing a lack of knowledge as seems to be the case the initiator of the thread. And a thread of this type is no place to try to give a theory workshop. The aforementioned , in my view, is best served by directing him or her to a venue where they can really get up to speed. Then they can decide for themself what they want to call the chord for their own reasons. No insult or offense was intended or implied.
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Steve Norman
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 6:49 am
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no problem,,I think I just got up on the wrong side of the bed yesterday....
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