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Topic: When do YOU lower the E's? |
Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 8:07 am |
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| I use my E lever a lot, but I was thinking about all of the moves that It's use for. What are some of the "go to" situations for you guys? I use it mostly with my A &/or B pedal for that cryin' 7th sound, and with my B6 playing. For me, I think there is un-used potential that I'd like to tap into. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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J Fletcher
From:
London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 8:49 am
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| Lately I use the E's lowered, with the B's raised, to get a little chromatic grouping on the 10th, 9th, 8th...Jerry |
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Scott Swartz
From:
St. Louis, MO
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 9:27 am
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....and the two string harmony scales of strings 8 and 5 (or 4 and 5) using the A pedal and E-D# change at the various positions, lots of classic licks there
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Bernie Straub
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Folly Beach, South Carolina, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 12:28 pm
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| And if you lower the Es before you strike the chord, then release, it is a raise. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 12:35 pm
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I mainly use it (1) for minor chords, (2) for blues runs with the 2nd string lowered to C#, (3) for the western swing 6th and 9th sounds, and (4) as I'm releasing my F lever for a full-step change in the A+F position.
I almost never use it for a 7th chord with the B pedal. Instead, I back up 2 frets and use the F lever to get the 7th chord.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 1:25 pm
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 2:44 pm
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- unison with Eb string
- bending from unison with Eb to semitone up
- blending from C#m to E via C#m9(?)
- minor chords
- whole-tone bend with F lever and A pedal
- raise to root while holding other chord tones |
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Brian McGaughey
From:
Orcas Island, WA USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 8:56 pm
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Of course the common V7 with the B pedal, the iiim used alone, and I use it in several walk up licks that end on the I.
Also a couple chromatic goodies along with strings 1 and 3.
Recently discovered an inverted triad of the V on strings 1,2,4,5,7,8,10 with the Es lowered. (I suppose half the chords these things make are inverted somehow another). Makes sense. Like the V7 but skip the "would be" b7 on strings 3 and 6 since the B pedal is not depressed.
Is the note the 3 and 6 string makes an augmented 5th without using the B pedal raise while lowering the Es?
Also what's the change mentioned from the A/F position? I use that combo a lot.
Brian |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 8:33 am
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| Some good responses! I think that I have used a lot of those moves at one time or another, but I get into a rutt, and kind of forget what can be done with some of the pedals and levers. Some players have their E lower lever on the right, and some on the left. This makes a big difference too. I have my E lower on LKR, so I guess I use it a little differently than others. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 1:45 pm
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b0b-Using that F lever for your Dom7th two frets back then slide up two frets to the tonic, is a good idea. I wondered why more players dont use it that way, or do thay?....al.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 2:05 pm
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| Al Marcus wrote: |
| b0b-Using that F lever for your Dom7th two frets back then slide up two frets to the tonic, is a good idea. I wondered why more players dont use it that way, or do thay?....al. |
I use it a lot. I don't really know what other people do - that's why we have topics like this!
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| Also what's the change mentioned from the A/F position? I use that combo a lot. |
When you're in the A+F major chord position, release F as you lower your E's. It gives you a full-step change like your A pedal, only on a higher string.
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 12:58 am
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Fred, I believe that (E to Eb) change on your LKR is the most common.
BTW, some good stuff here.... great question.
My favorite use of the E to Eb change is to combine it with my 6th string (G# lower to F#) and get a totally smooth I to V change.... which inverted becomes a I to IV change |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 1:36 am
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how about this answer..
When it's necessary to execute the phrases that you are creating...
the lever(s) , assist you to play the MUSIC...
I suspect there are many reading this question and saying to themselves..
" I dunno, I never really thought about it, I probably used the E lower lever 50 times in the last song , but I can't go backwards and tell you where "
3 notes available on the 4 and 8 strings, lower, natural and raise. IF you think in terms of the music, the actual lever becomes secondary. No different than moving your fingers to a sharp or flat fret position on the 6 string to grab a voicing.
begin the lesson by studying/understanding the relationship of the 8 and 5 strings together, and what each associated pedal/lever does for each string. 3 notes available on each string ( maybe 4 on the 5th string) , lower, natural,raise. Once you begin to un-tap the power of those elements , then go back and ask yourself the thread question.
my opinion |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 7:27 am
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| Brian McGaughey wrote: |
| Is the note the 3 and 6 string makes an augmented 5th without using the B pedal raise while lowering the Es? |
With only the Es lowered, 3 and 6 are the 6th of the chord you're speaking of. Hence that's a key move in getting "C6th" sounds on E9th. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 8:57 am
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Brian-One way to get the Augmented is to lower the 6th string G# to G then lower the E's with it.That gives you a B Aug. B-D#-G (the raised 5th F#)..all:)
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Brian McGaughey
From:
Orcas Island, WA USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2008 9:43 am
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Oh yeah, makes sense. On the V7, I figured if the b7 on the 5th string dropped when then B pedal was released it landed a sharp 5 but indeed it's the 6th! Working to figure this out. Indeed, B, D#, G is the augmented chord. 
Tony, what you said is food for thought. As many folks here on the forum often say, this machine we play is is for making music. I look forward to the day melodic movement is so natural for me that I don't even realize when I've used a pedal or lever to get there. Someday.
Gonna take a good look at the relationships available between 5 and 8, even though I can't lower my 5.
Thanks b0b, Brint, Al. Good thread, Fred. |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2008 2:40 am
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I often wondered why Lloyd has his 'F' KL where he does. It can't easily be used with his 1st pedal. bOb right on. He uses it as his dom 7th change instead of the alternative. Makes a lot of sense. I've tried it and I like it.
PRR |
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