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Jim Peters
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Posted 10 Mar 2008 7:10 pm |
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I just discovered this tune with Sneaky Pete of course. I have to learn this sucker. Any hints? I know his tuning is different, any E9 players got any hints? jp
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steve takacs
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Posted 10 Mar 2008 7:18 pm STEELS ON WHEELS
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Jim, Get Mike Headrick's course "Steels on Wheels". It has that one and many others done extremely well. It's called "Devil in Disguise" as well as "Christine's Tune" & here is the link to his site: www.MikeHeadrick.com
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Mar 2008 7:23 am
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Thanks, Steve, I'll check it out. JP
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Joel Meredith
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Posted 12 Mar 2008 11:09 am
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| I've seen this book / tab refrenced a lot on the forum. Does anyone know if this is the actual licks that Sneaky did tabbed out for the E9 or is it just the melody of the song tabbed out (which is not what I'm looking for)? |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2008 4:10 pm
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You really need to define *which* version.
The original is played one way - and he really never played it that way live. He adopted a kind of standardized "hook" at the beginning that's on multiple recordings, but the original album version is not even on any early live "boots" I have.
The solo was never played the same way twice - and was also played in the same spot as the original, or sometimes on the chorus.
To me it's great having so many variations and hearing an incredible player almost never repeat himself!
Oh - wish I could help you with tab, but I only play it in the original B6 tuning.
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1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Fish
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Posted 12 Mar 2008 5:16 pm
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Jim Peters,
Good for you for recognizing one of the truly great moments in country music history; actually its more of a perfect merger of country & rock to be honest. This is one of my favorite pedal steel songs of all time and I'm sure I've listened to the "Gilded Palace of Sin" version hundreds of times without ever growing tired of it. I guess that's a "trifle excessive," as a British pal of mine would say, but I just love that track.
Jim Sliff is correct; there are several live versions out there in bootleg form. I have several, including one very good one from the Seattle Pop Festival in July of 1969. There is another great live version featuring Al Perkins on "The Last of the Red Hot Burritos," which may be out of print. Al is on fire on this version; his rock steel solo in the outro is just beautiful.
The "Gilded Palace of Sin" version features Sneaky Pete at his absolute best. His moves between clean and "distortion" steel are just brilliant, and his telecaster imitation in the last verse is to-die-for. Lastly, don't miss Gram Parsons "throat-clearing" final chorus. |
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Scott Swartz
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St. Louis, MO
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 7:28 am
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Jim, Brad Sarno, and myself are playing a Tribute to Gram Parsons show on 3/29, that reminds me, I should post that over in announcements.
I have to figure out a reasonably accurate version of Sneaky Pete's stuff on Hot Burrito #1 and #2.
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Jeff Garden
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Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 7:41 am
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Joel,
In answer to your tab question... Mike Headrick's "Steels on Wheels" CD was Mike's instrumental tribute to Gram Parsons and Chris Hillman. Loads of great steel start to finish and one of my favorite CD's. His tab book is a note for note presentation of his instrumental version of these tunes to include lots of great intros/breaks/etc but these are not note for note tabs of the steel on the original recordings.
If you were to copy some of Mike's licks, you won't go too far wrong with a very recognizable version of the tunes. The tab is extremely well done, by the way. |
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 8:43 am
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Hey Scott, add me to your list at the Parson's Tribute, I play with the Cosmic Cowboys, that's why I'm working on Christine's Tune. Should be a ton of fun! JP
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 11:37 am
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Scot - HB#1 was one of the few tunes I was able to kind of figure out on E9 before I gave up that tuning; HB#2 Nevdr seemed to sound right in E9 - B6, yes...of course; C6 I could find a lot but it was missing Sneaky's "A&B" type pedals; Al Perkin's 8-string E7 works great for his version. But HB#2 - at least played the way the later versions were played, which is a real rocker, just sounds "off" played on E9, and I've heard several attempts.
One other note - for the original Christine's Tune, a fuzz is workable; but of any of the other versions and all the other tunes mentioned, either a high-grade distortion unit or small tube amp with a *good* overdrive gets you there.
Of course, there's always the tonal situation to consider; A Fender works wonders; a GFI with a GFI -II pickup gets REAL close; but most other guitars sound wrong IMO - not bad - just wrong. Also, kill the reverb and use a little analog or tape delay instead, and lay off the volume pedal.... or just remove it! I watched Sneaky play entire shows and never touch it except on one or two songs.
Didn't note where the March show is, but if it's nearby and anyone wants to brave a B6-equipped Fender "Sneakycaster" I'll be happy to provide a "loaner".
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Scott Swartz
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St. Louis, MO
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 12:00 pm
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Show is in St. Louis, MO
I hear you on the no verb and little VP, I play that way normally (although I won't claim I sound like Sneaky Pete), Fender Twin with rev on 2.
The backline for this show will be all tube, two Twins and a Deluxe.
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Steeltronics - Steel Guitar Pickups
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Joel Meredith
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Portland,Oregon, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2008 2:11 pm
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| My next guitar will be a 400 tuned to B6th. Not sure when I'll get one, but I've always wanted one... |
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Jim Peters
From:
St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Mar 2008 2:49 pm
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The version I'm working on is the youtube one. I would really like some ideas on the little descending 8th note lick at 51 seconds, he uses it a couple of times. I'm pretty sure it is some kind of pulloffs to open strings with his tuning, but how about some E9 ideas. Thanks for any hints. JP here's a link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BITiY8M_oDo
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Fish
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Posted 14 Mar 2008 8:46 pm
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Jim,
I'm not much of a tab person, but I'll try to give you some hints.
In E9th, most of this lick is at the 4th fret against an Ab chord.
There are four phrases. The first phrase starts on string 4 (Ab), then drops to G with the E to Eb knee lever. Then hit strings 5 and 6 open.
The second phrase starts on string 5 with the first floor pedal down, raising the string a whole step. Then lower that string with the floor pedal and hit strings 6 then 8.
The third phrase requires a knee lever that lowers your 6th string a whole step. Play string 6 open at the 4th fret, then lower it and play strings 8, then 10.
The 4th phrase (I knew I shoulda done this in tab!) starts on string 8, then is lowered with the knee lever a half step, then hit string 10 and slide down to fret 1.
The last chord is strings 8 & 10 at the 4th fret with the 8th string lowered a half step.
It's late here...I hope this makes sense. If you don't have a knee lever that lowers string 6, then start on string 7 at the 6th fret and slide down to fret four.
I love this lick...have fun with it. |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2008 10:59 pm
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With the B6 it's a backwards roll of 4-note sequences progressing down the strings, using various pedals (once in each 4-note "chunk")....I play it but have not tabbed it, and unless you play B6 and Sneaky's copedent tab would be useless anyway.
But there are no open strings at all. It's actually pretty easy once you "find" it in B6...as are a lot of player's "tough" licks; not difficult, just a little "outside" so most players can't find them. To me, it was a combination guitar and banjo run, and I found it in about 10 minutes...but MASTERING it takes a long time, as Sneaky played it about 90 different ways. you'd *know* it was coming...and then he'd start it two beats later, or one ahead, or play an extra 5 or 6 notes at the end, or change some other little chunk. I NEVER heard him repeat it note for note,and I probably have at least 20 recorded versions.
Two thinsg he told me on more than one occasion- "Play from the heart" and "play single notes". One big clue if you're trying to play like Sneaky...even on E9...is not rely on the "normal" harmonized scales as much, or counterpoint, moving chords, etc. He DID do those things, but even in those positions played them often as arpeggios - the recognizable stuff is almost all single-string work. The lick in question, the "fuzz" solos, the buzzsaw notes in Wheels - all single strings. He told me a long time ago he didn't use his right knee lever much because after installing it and screwing around with it, he discovered it was too "pedal steely" - made a chordal change from a V back to a I chord. He preferred using single string swoops and jumps to do it instead.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Joel Meredith
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Portland,Oregon, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 9:12 am
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Hey, Jim, I think I know the lick you're talking about and here's how I play it:
It's pretty much just the B and C pedals...
In A, 5th fret:
starting on the 3rd string, press B pedal, strike the string and release the pedal right after you hit the string and then hit the 4th and 5th strings w/o any pedals.
then hit the c pedal and hit the 4th string and release the pedal right after and then hit the 5th and 6th strings w/o pedals.
then hit the c (or a) pedal and hit the 5th string and release the pedal right after, hit the 6th string w/o pedal, slide down to the 3rd fret on the 6th string (still ringing) and hit the 7th string.
It's close (on e9th), maybe a note or two shorter than Sneaky's, but close. |
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Jim Peters
From:
St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Mar 2008 10:33 am
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Great ideas, thanks, I'll try them all. JP
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