Msa Resolution/ Info Request

Quesney Gibbs · From: Anniston, AL

Why should I make any public apology for something truthful I posted on this forum.

Sort of like a demand from Jerry Dahmer for an apology from his victims for not furnishing a little salt for the meal.

In my opinion some of the others involved in this should step forward and post their stories.

I sent all the price of the guitar up front because I thought I was dealing with honest people.

So now I am disqualified from what...another attempt from Reece and all concerned to delay and finally sweep all this under the rug.

If anyone should make a public apology it should be the MSA people.

By the way Reece the only thing that will get me to shut up at this point is my money back and we both know this is not going to happen.

Steve Feldman · From: Central MA USA

Dave Horner · From: Heath, Texas, USA

Quesney,

As I mentioned to you in an email last evening, I believe you are misreading this situation. I further told you that we were all saddened by your remarks and your apparent decision to disqualify yourself from participation in the process. Frankly, we were stunned having received your response only a few days previous and having cordially responded to it. Additionally, I mentioned that the "new MSA" principals said that they would like for you to have an opportunity to "sleep on your decision" and that your reinstatement opportunity would not expire before this morning. However, as we have said, we respect the right of anyone not to participate.

You have not availed yourself of the opportunity to be reinstated in the process. The time for you to do so has now passed and you are no longer a participant in the MSA RESOLUTION process.

Dave

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

I thought that this phase of the process was open until June 1!

Kyle Bennett · From: Dallas, TX USA

b0b,

We have said that the MSA RESOLUTION process will be in the information-
gathering phase until June1, 2002. As the MSA RESOLUTION post indicated,
those who want to air their complaints by some other means will not be
included in the process. Mr. Gibbs chose to violate that principle and
is no longer included. I am a principal in a company that is now being formed and neither that company nor I have anything to do with the
complaints being levied. The other principals and I have established a
voluntary process to attempt to bring resolution to some issues. We plan
to attempt to see that process through for the sake of those who want to
honestly participate. But, I have no intention of being demeaned or
maligned by anyone while voluntarily trying to assist them. Further, as
was stated in the post, no one has assumed or created any legal obligation
to do anything. We are doing this because we want to. If we decide we no
longer want to, then we will stop. If we stop, the people who could have
participated can seek a solution from those who seem to be attempting to
destroy the process.

However, so it is clear, the people who are current participants in the
process will remain so unless they disqualify themselves as Mr. Gibbs did, or until their
complaints are found not to be credible. At this point, I have no reason
whatsoever to believe any of them are anything less than totally honest.
And, they have all conducted themselves appropriately.

You may find it interesting to know that it was suggested to me this
morning that it is possible there are people so angry at the prospect of
this matter ever being resolved that we might receive responses from
people who have nothing to lose, people who don't qualify in the first
place. By making it appear they are legitimate participants, and then taking
action to exit the process at some stage they would appear to have
"complaining rights." I am not saying we have had that happen. The
process has just begun, so we are still getting responses, we haven't
evaluated them yet.

Does it make any sense that we would make the MSA RESOLUTION post without
any attempt to follow through? There are people posting here who are
trying to discourage people from participating. Doesn't it seem strange
that people would want to discourage participation? There are people here
who say that those with complaints should get in some other process. So
long as they do it lawfully, they can join in any other process that they want. I have not read any details about any alternative processes.

If people are going to participate in the MSA RESOLUTION process, they will
have to do so under the rules of the MSA RESOLUTON process.

We will be instructing Dave not to respond to any but legitimate inquiries.

Kyle Bennett

[This message was edited by Kyle Bennett on 08 April 2002 at 10:30 AM.]

Bobbe Seymour · From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.

DAVE!!I have a good idea! Just send three or four of these guys their money back just to show you have the correct intentions, then all will be forgiven! At least it would show something good from your side. It would give others hope anyway. Lets see, what is intrest on $1650.00 for 22 years, less the buying power of the money now compared to then ? And cost of living, lets see, I guess the original $1650.00 must be about $9856.02 by now, lets see, MSA of old would need to cough up about $40.000.00 for the four guys they chose to refund, then the other guys would get mad and want their money, Naw this is not that good an idea after all.Of the original $35.000.00 owed,MSA would need to come up with over a million bucks, I just don't see this idea being on the way in. There MUST be another way, How about stock in the co.? Naw this has already been tried.
Come on everyone, there MUST be one good idea out there on how everyone can be happy in the end! Dave Horner is a great guy that's trying very hard to bring all sides together, Quisney just wants the guitar he paid for, as do several others. It looks like an agreement can be reached if we all stay positive and try. Why do I feel like this? Am I dreaming? I think an apoligy from the money takers might be a good place to start, If the guilt that some folks think is there isn't admitted to, and tried to make right, what would keep it from happening again? It seems to me like this could all be fixed by just admitting the true story of what happend 22 years ago,making some kind of simple restitution to those that can prove a claim. Maybe this is whats happening now, I can't tell by Dave's post, but then again, what power does Dave have in this company, is he an employee? A darn good talker yes, I hope he has some power, I like him! I'd buy a guitar from him. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to! Anyway, I personaly have no axe to grind so I'm outta' here, But guys,lets get to the bottom and get some restitution happening here.
All good guys -----HELP!!!!!

Bobbe Seymour · From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.

Have you no compassion for the dealers? (just a joke)

smike · From: oakland, ca

hey, everybody... lighten up.

quesny - you don't know for sure what's going to happen, but it sounds to me like this is your only chance... hand them the rope and see if they tie things up nicely, or hang themselves... play it their way, and let's see what happens.

msa, dave, kyle - you guys could be a little more sensitive. these folks put their faith in msa years ago, and got stung. they lost good money, and some lost their businesses. if the reason you're doing this is to make things right, start by acknowledging that these folks were done wrong... and cut them some slack.

everybody else - not everybody has trashed maurice... in fact, some have gone to great lengths to NOT trash him, but try to bring closure to an open wound in the (OUR!) community.

just as quesney, for example, is a little hot about this, so maurice has (in the past) been on the defensive.

can you all not cut each other some slack?

can you not see that the folks who lost money have had an uphill battle dealing with losses from overseas, saying anything that criticizes reece, etc.? be compassionate.

can you not acknowledge that reece IS msa, that any company that wants to resurrect msa inherits whatever karma... right or wrong... msa accrued when it tanked? this is his chance to really step up to the plate and finally fix whatever got left broken when msa shut its doors.

peace.

breathe.

be patient, and let's see what dave, kyle, and msa come up with.

assuming that deals actually happen, even if the folks who make the deals have to keep the specifics private, we will know if they are, or are not, ultimately satisfied.

bruce

p.s.: there might be some progress in tom bradshaw getting his 'history of pedal steel' published. i put him in touch with a good friend of mine who is a senior editor at random house... apparently there are those outside our community who also want to see what msa does next! 8-)

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

Geez! I haven't seen a mess like this since a hurricane blew over the outhouse. At last there's finally a few reasonable posts up here. Mainly this really MIGHT be the only chance for the depositors to get their money back. I strongly suggest they try to put away some of their anger and negativity for a few more months and TRY IT. It's been over 20 years, nothing else has happened, don't blow this chance. If "new MSA" doesn't cough up something good for them, THEN let's ALL jump on 'em!

Well we know new MSA can't fork out a million bucks to pay back all the losses of inflation, interest and all.

Saying $1650 in 1980 is the same as $9856 now just doesn't work. First, I don't believe it, and also most wages have increased since 1980 which ruins the comparsion anyway. Besides, I haven't seen any new steels selling for $20,895.00 and this is what the price would be if everything went up according to that example. The economics guys would have this case in debate forever if we got hung up on this aspect.

Anyone expecting to get interest, punitive damages, etc. is dreaming. Maybe they should get it but realistically they will not, unless they go with a full-blown court case and win it.

The difference in price of the old MSA and the new version can serve as a more practical guide for comparing the 1980 dollar to today's.

Why not just give the depositors what they wanted in the first place...if they still want it, give them all NEW MSAs. Allowing for dealer markup (sorry Bobbe, we know there has to be a LITTLE!) that would also be the cheapest, easiest solution for new MSA. Nothing can make up for the time lost, but at least the better steel would compensate a little.

If after 20 years some of the depositors don't want the steel, their money could be repaid in the same percentage of the full price of the new MSA steel's retail. Those that paid full price and never received the steel would be refunded 100% of the dollar amount of the new MSA's retail price. Those that paid deposits of 50% of their steel's full price would be refunded 50% of the new MSA's price, and so on.

What do you think? Why not, Dave/Kyle/Reece/Jerry?

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 09 April 2002 at 04:03 AM.]

Reggie Duncan · From: Mississippi

I believe that any settlement on this issue will be in the form of a discounted price on a new MSA.

[This message was edited by Reggie Duncan on 09 April 2002 at 04:19 AM.]

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

That will probably be offered, but I wouldn't want to hear the responses. New MSA should take note that these people are really P***ed, and most would probably not trust them again, and so the situation continues. New MSA would be wise to pay up, make the depositors happy and put it behind us all.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 09 April 2002 at 04:20 AM.]

Quesney Gibbs · From: Anniston, AL

Now that I have been disqualified fron the so called resolution process I have just one more statement....

I don't wish to mislead anyone about the quality and duribility of an MSA guitar.

I bought a double neck ten in 1973 and have played it professionally from that point to this time and still play it.

I have never had one thing go wrong with it and it is still a work horse.

If the new MSA guitars are made to the same standards as the old they will be marvels for sure.

At some point I hope to be able to see one and (hopefully) play a few notes on one.

Having said this I will now fold my tent and slip away...Regards and thanks for the many E-mails from many supporters around the world.

Ques

Dag Wolf · From: Bergen, Norway

I just have informed both Helge Johannesen,Norway and Janne Lindgren, Sweden about this topic.

Dag

Dave Horner · From: Heath, Texas, USA

Dag,

Thanks for your help. We have been in contact with Janne. We recently mailed a letter to the address we have for Helge, though, even if the address is correct, I doubt that Helge has yet received it.

Thanks again,

Dave

Frank Estes · From: Huntsville, AL

quote:
Further, as
was stated in the post, no one has assumed or created any legal obligation
to do anything. We are doing this because we want to...

Hmmm...Can anyone determine the relationship with the list below?

1. The check is in the mail.
2. I am from the IRS and I am here to help.
3. I will respect you in the morning.
4. "We are doing this because we want to."

David Wright · From: Pilot Point ,Tx USA.

Frank, you forgot
#5. when they get tired of hearing from Frank and give up call Frank to
get your money back!
#6. if frank got sued and lost his money you can complain to him for the
next 20 years
#7 If you think Kyle wont sue your a-- for bad mouthin him your crazy!!!!

The Ol Leg Humper... David

Rick Garrett · From: Tyler, Texas

Me.....Im just happy to be here.

Rick

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

Regarding the "discount towards a new MSA" idea, if MSA is considering this as their form of restitution, I hope it will only be one of the options in their plan. Given the 20-plus-years time span, it should be taken into consideration that there will likely be some depositors who no longer are in a position to take advantage of such an offer, by reasons of their current financial situation or perhaps even their physical condition. Such an offer to anyone in that position would be no restitution or resolution at all.

Frank Estes · From: Huntsville, AL

What can I say, David? You're the best I have ever seen at what YOU do!

I will honor Bobby Lee's wishes to let this thing run its course and "give them a break." I appreciate b0b giving the parties a way to get into contact with each other and if a few obvious and elementary questions along with some wisecracks cause people to change their minds about doing the "right" thing, then obviously we are left wondering how serious were they.

I truly hope the "right" thing (not the "Wright" thing) will be done.

So long...for now.

slick · From: Calhoun Georgia

All is well that ends well and i believe this
will end just that way.I respect and trust my
friend Maurice Anderson.I suspect that after
this is over and the smoke has cleared,some
folks are gonna have to eat some crow,if you know what i mean.Why dont we just wait and see what happens?Mudslinging,badmouthing and
bullshitin aint never solved a problem.I would buy a new MSA from Reece in a heartbeat.OK!now hit me with your best shot.

Wayne Broyles

[This message was edited by slick on 19 April 2002 at 02:57 PM.]

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

slick · From: Calhoun Georgia

Sorry b0b,

Wayne Broyles

Bobbe Seymour · From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.

I like "Slick" a lot better bOb, It's a lot smoooother, easier to say and remember. I know 50 "Waynes" but he's the only "Slick" I know! Ha!------->

"Ace" Seymour

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