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Al Vesel
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Posted 24 Feb 2008 11:44 pm |
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Does any one out there know anything about the early MSA push pulls??
TXS
Al Vesel
alvesel@mchsi.com
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Al Vesel
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Posted 24 Feb 2008 11:47 pm Oops!!
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I listed twice so I deleted.
Sorry
Al Vesel
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Ron !
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 12:21 am
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Well we can look twice at your impressive profile now..  |
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Al Vesel
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 1:10 am
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Ron,
Sorry it bothered you so & I was not to impress anyone.
I like to know what others are using and in fact that is how I purchased a lot of my equipment by looking at what others are using, including bars, etc. But if it bothers you I deleted some equipment. Now its not so impressive. No need for sarcasm. There's enough of it in this world already.
Al
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 4:56 am Re: Early MSA Push Pulls
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| Al Vesel wrote: |
| Does any one out there know anything about the early MSA push pulls?? |
As far as I know, there's nothing to know (since there weren't any). |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 8:58 am
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There were some old pull/release type MSA's built, similar to old Sho Buds and others, but these weren't really push/pulls. The one MSA of this type I saw was pretty crude by todays standards. But, the first Classic all pulls, are as good as about anything made today.
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MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Al Vesel
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Chisholm, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 10:23 am
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TXS for the feedback guys.
Al
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Ron !
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 10:44 am
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Al...I meant it as a joke.No pun intended.Sorry if I misled you.Apology for that.
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Al Vesel
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Chisholm, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 11:52 am
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Ron,
I guess I knew you meant it jokingly. I just had a bad day yesterday and had a lot of things happen to me not so good. No problem, my friend.
Al
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 1:22 pm
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Al,
Is this the model you were thinking about? It is a late 60s, early 70s. The underside had flat swingbars instead of crass shafts, and bellcranks.
Like this..I had this one for about 30 years.
Bill
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 1:35 pm
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OK,
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Bobbe Seymour
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 1:37 pm
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There was a model before that one Bill. The '63 through '65 was a permanent cable guitar. This one you are showing was a Chuck Wright version. Or number two in the series. The one you have is the first rodded MSA guitar.
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 2:07 pm
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I forgot to mention, it's all pull double raise/lower. And Bobbe, I remember what you said about the "A", or was it the "S"? LOL Yer fren BF
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2008 3:57 pm
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I thought this was an all pull. Looks much like a ZB undercarriage. The one I referred to earlier, was a pull/release, with round cross shafts. It could have had cables on it, but I think it had rods. It's been too long to remember.
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MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Posted 26 Feb 2008 3:26 pm
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Darvin, I feel the model you are trying to remember was one of the first ones. Pull release sort of, it had a reversing belcrank ala Bigsby to lower. Cable actuated. This was a thing that Danny Shields and I worked out in '63. Worked fine but as you said, truly was crude by todays standards. I the only thing I can't agree with you on is the tone statement.
These all sounded very good, Bobby Garrett, Don Helms, Doyle Grisham and several other great players played them in '63 '64. Actually, these guitars were sort of big Sho-Bud copies with a lot of Bigsby influence.
I still have a great one in excellent condition, a '63, blue, D-10, 8-2. Guess I need to restore it for history in this little known dark area of steeldom.
I'd post pictures if anyone is intrested.
Darvin, your memory isn't bad.
Bobbe
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Herb Steiner
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Posted 26 Feb 2008 5:13 pm
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Years ago, a fellow came by my house with a basket-case MSA of a type I'd never seen before. It was a cable pull D-10, missing tons of parts, and the pegheads were wood with Kluson Deluxes. It had been brush painted with housepaint, obviously not original. I took many photos of it, though I can't for the life of me seem to find any of them. I called Reece that afternoon about it, and he said it was "ancient." Bobbe, is this one of the guitars you're referring to?
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Junior Knight
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Posted 26 Feb 2008 5:46 pm
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The first REAL steel I had was an MSA I bought from Reese in 1967 or 68..it was a d 10/11..10 on top..11 on bottom..wood key heads I think it was called a permanent set up..I think it was Albert Talleys guitar. real mellow tone! hey Bobbie,lets see some pics of the MSA....
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 26 Feb 2008 6:22 pm
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Yeah post pictures! 
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 7:22 am
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Herb, I'll bet that was the same guitar I saw. It was in a pawn shop in Cedar Park about 5 or 6 years ago. It was probably there for a year or so and they finally sold it. They were wanting $700 for it if I remember right. I had forgotten about the keyheads until you mentioned it, and the paint job was crude. I never plugged it in, so I don't know how it sounded, it wasn't something I was interested in. It could have been a neat restoration project, but they were wanting way too much money for it.
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MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 9:27 am
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No herb, this was not one of the first you saw, however close. The wood head guitars were a creation of Tommy Morrells (64 65), not to long after I left the company. I'm sure the idea was good on the wood head, but all the very first guitars were much more in the Bigsby Sho-Bud vain. All had wood neck inserts, with cast aluminum heads and tail pieces.
The bodys were pretty wide, but over all the guitars were real work horses, dependable, stayed in tune and had great pedal action, unlike the first rod guitars. I can't remember what we did for cases but I know it was a problem in the beginning. Possibly Danny and Tom actually made some cases themselves. I did most of the metal work as I had a lot of lathe and milling machine exp.
Pictures to follow,
Bobbe
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 10:14 am
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Here are some pictures of one of the very first MSAs. The guitar originally had white plexiglas inlay that matched the original white plexiglas pickups. The body is all great rolling grain maple with a light mica top. Circa 1963, fall. Questions?
Bobbe
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KENNY KRUPNICK
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Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 10:17 am
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M-Morrell
S-Seymour
A-Anderson
Correct me if I'm in error. |
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James Collett
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San Dimas, CA
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 10:22 am
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M- Morrel
S- Shields
A- Anderson
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 10:24 am
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This guitar is in a period of restoration, somewhat original, but since it will be played under a variety of conditions, Bill Lawrence 705 pickups will be used, I do have the originals.
The white fretboards were designed for the Don Helms custom order as he was having some trouble seeing the black under some conditions. We ended up lighting some plexiglas fretboards from underneath for him.
The pulling mechanisum will be like the original and set-up modernday standard, which was pretty well what it had in the beginning. Bigsby style aircraft cable which will be quite, easy and requier no lube.
It should be done by summer. (I hope)
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2008 10:42 am
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James Collet,,In the very beginning it was "Seymour", after I left the co. it was "Shields".
You and Kenny are both correct. Shields replaced me in the summer/fall of '63. He was quite the charictor! Smart, funny and very enterprising. He could find parts faster and cheaper than anyone I even knew. His craftsmanship was great for that time period, better than Sho-Bud but the soon to be released Emmons was a shock to pretty well everyone in the industry when it came to great simple quality, fit and finish.
Later the MSA precision came up dramatically after the Bennett family started building them near the end of the '60s. I'm sure Bud Carter had a hand in this design work also. After I left in '63, I really didn't keep up with MSA until the mid '70s when Maurice, the Bennetts and I struck a deal for me to use the new MSA in Nashville, which I did for a couple of years.
With the playing abilities and promo skills of Maurice, this company continues after a lapse in production to sell and offer a quality built product to those that like the quality method of construction this product has to offer.
This was the original dream we 3 had in the beginning of day one. Maurice was the one that believed in the company and was to make sure the marque would live on and continue to be what it is today. MSA fans have him to thank, along with the Bennetts for the name being what it is today.
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