need some suggestions

Dean Salisbury · From: New York, USA

I have what I've been told a 1954 Supro/National/Valco model-s2 (six string) I tuned it to C6 with no problems. After obtaining some educational material I am trying to tune it to A6. However, strings 6, 5, and 4 appear to sound very tiny and appear to be not that tight when tuned to string 6, E; string 5 C# and string 4 A

the high 3, 2, and 1 appear to be fine, may be just a little soft but they are in tune.

I have a couple suggestion on how to fix the problem but would like to have more if any one has any ideas.

Thanks

dean from NYC
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Rick Aiello · From: Berryville, VA USA

Dean Salisbury · From: New York, USA

No i had the right strings, but now have come to the conclusion that it may be my tuner. Now Im gg to have to search out the dvd and see if I can find where it has a tuning area to see if that is the problem

as I am not familiar or know that tuning at all. I loaned out my keyboard last night, so cannot use it right away anyway.

Thanks for your help and now that I am totally confused I may have had the tuning backwards! will know when I get my keyboard back

but thanks again you were of great help

dean
from NY
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Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

Dean, why not simply call someone you know with a piano and have them give you an "E" above middle C on their piano.

Start with that "E" and go down E, C, A, G, E, C#

Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

Dean, why not simply call someone you know with a piano and have them give you an "E" above middle C on their piano.

Start with that "E" and go down E, C, A, G, E, C#

Dean Salisbury · From: New York, USA

I have a key board just not hear, I loaned it out yesterday but it isn't the high notes giving me the problem, its the lower 3 F# E C# Im not really sure what notes those are the F# E and C# is for the lower 3 notes. Don't have my key board to play around with those and I dn't know anyone else who has a piano or keyboard lololol

But Im getting there, this damn tuner I have they said it would do all tunings well it don't lololol

It will take me awhile but I am bound and determined to get this sucker tuned to A6 even if I have to change strings.

thanks to all you with your suggestions I will get it. Never heard of these tunings before in my life but in regular guitar I just have used the standard tuning for so long. Guess I just never new of anything else.

Dean

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Dean Salisbury · From: New York, USA

Rick you were absolutely correct, don't know why or how I got those strings backwards, but you were right. I finally found the part in Rick Alexander's course where he talked about tuning and played the proper tuning and took me seconds to tune to the A6!

After I got it tuned, my friend showed up with my keyboard as I left a msg for him I needed it. and now I can proceed as my steel is in tune!

Without buying strings, but I have ordered Bobs strings the gauge Rick suggested so at least I will have a spare set one of these days.

Thanks to both of you for the suggestions and the advice. Once I get a mental block it takes awhile to find my own stupidity and thanks to Mr. Aiellos comments of reversing the order it was a lot easier.

thanks again

Dean from NY
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Rick Aiello · From: Berryville, VA USA

But since I just wrote all this out, before seeing your latest post ... Laughing

... try this ...

Set the high E (smallest string) ... via an electronic tuner, a piano, keyboard, whatever (as Ray has said) ...

And then keep that high E constant (don't turn that knob) ...

Ring the harmonic on that E string at the 12th fret ... and while it is ringing ... hit the fifth string's harmonic at the 5th fret ...

Bring them into unison (same pitch) ... you will hear a quivering sound ... "beats" ... and as the two strings approach unison ... the beats will slow down ... slower .... slower ... then they disappear ... STOP TURNING THAT KNOB ...

Now your first and fifth string are in tune.

Now ring the hi E string at the 12th fret again ... and now chime (ring the harmonic of) the third string (A) at the 7th fret ... and tune out the beats as described above.

Now ring the 3rd string A that you just tuned ... either a tad above the fourth fret (nut side) or at the ninth fret ... and match it to the second string (C#) chimed at the fifth fret ... and tune out the beats as described above.

Now ring that C# string (second string) at the 12th fret ... and chime the sixth string (C#) at the fifth fret... and tune out the beats as described above.

One left ...

Now ring that C# string (second string) at the 12th fret again ... and chime the fourth string (F#) at the seventh fret... and tune out the beats as described above.

Check it all again ... done ... you are now in A6 tuning ... via the sweet sound of Just Intonation Mr. Green

(hi to lo)

E
C#
A
F#
E
C#

Dean Salisbury · From: New York, USA

Im glad you wrote that out before you read! I have copied that piece of advice as well. Never really tuned to harmonics but I will certainly give it a try just to learn how to do it!

Thanks thats a good piece of advice for beginners for sure and it is well appreciated by me

Dean from NYC
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