Do these 6th string and 7th string changes look okay?

Cliff Kane · From: the late great golden state

I'm working on a new tuning chart for a D-10, and I'd like to know if people see any problems with this idea for the E9 neck:

RKL: raise string 1 a full tone to G#; raise string 2 a half tone to E; raise string 7 a full tone to G#.

RKR: lower string 2 a half tone to D and then a full tone to C#; lower string 6 a full tone to F# with the pedal B split to get a G note; lower string 9 a half tone to C#.

I currently have the 6th string lower on RKL along with the 1st and 2nd string raises, but I would also like to have the 7th string raise: I am thinking that the 7th string raise belongs on the same lever that mirrors the change on the 1st string (RKL), so I am thinking of moving the 6th string lower to RKR. I am also thinking of adding a "Franklin" pedal to drop my B's to A's, and I will then have the 6th string lower on a pedal, but I also want to keep it on a knee lever to get the split with pedal B. Do you see a problem with having the 6th string lower on RKR along with the 2nd and 9th string lowers, as I'm thinking? Will this introduce and conflicts or problems? Any suggestions of a better way to do this?

Thanks!
Cliff

Cliff Kane · From: the late great golden state

I was thinking of this as an alternative:
Keep the 7th string raise on RKL, and don't add the 6th string lower to RKR (keep RKR as the conventional 2nd and 9th string lowers); but, add an additional lever or pedal to drop strings 3 and 6 a half tone to G; get the 6th string full tone lower from the "Franklin" pedal. This would mean adding an additional lever or pedal to drop strings 3 and 6, but maybe it would be better than splitting string 6 to get the G note, as the "Franklin" pedal already has the 6th string lower? If this sounds like a better way to go, is there any change that would be handy to add to RKL, or is it best to leave it alone with only the traditional lowers on strings 2 and 9? I recall seeing a tuning that had RKR with the lower for string 2 and 9, but also added a 7th string lower of a half tone to F and a full tone to E. I'm sure all of these changes have neat specific applications, but my head doesn’t totally wrap around this (more than it used to, though).

Thanks again!
Cliff

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

I would put the 6th string lower a whole tone with split on the same knee that raises 1&2 on the RKL...and put the 7th string raise a whole tone on RKR that lowers 2 and whole tone and 9 a half tone...and so your 7th string will have a half tone feel to G then up to G#. Keeping the E lower and raises over on the Left leg....will give you so many options with those 2 Right knee changes...it's unbelievable....Now go to it.
Ricky
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Cliff Kane · From: the late great golden state

Hey Ricky,
thanks for that good advice. I hadn't thought about using the half tone feel stop on the RKR for 7th string F#-G-G#. Great idea! Do you see any reason why one wouldn't want a 7th string raise on the RKR, any conflict it will cause with the lowers for strings 2 and 9?

Thanks for help,
Cliff

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Cliff; I see no conflicts in my playing. Here is my copedent exactly:

For a nice resolve to; lets say G; just lower that RKR and "a" pedal depressed and hit strings 2;5;7 on 8th fret and let off knee and pedal and listen to that movement???
Also; with "e"s lowered at the 8th fret...7th string is the 5th tone; and now you can add the half tone raise for the augented tone with the "b" pedal down. Or raise it up a whole tone and you are putting the 6th tone in; with a b7th tone already on your 6th string with it raised...and it is a dang nice chord; especially if you add the 9th tone..."a" pedal down 5th string. It also adds the maj7 tone to a pedal down position with 7th string raised a whole tone...which is a proper maj7 chord with the root still in there....>well I can go on and on....but you have to see it yourself to understand it.
I'm alway advocating; that you must see it; understand it; and have use for it...before you put anything on your steel guitar.
On my LDG of course I only have the 1 neck tuned to E9; so when I'm called upon to play more interesting chord structures in a swing;jazz;big band mode...I can see it and get it done with my set up...>just can't go below a "B" note is all...ha....but I can build 13 different chords on one fret line.
Have fun.
Ricky
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Cliff Kane · From: the late great golden state

Wow, that is awesome, my friend! Thanks so much for posting this and those details. It looks pretty good.

Cliff

Harry Dove · From: Michigan, USA

Ricky, What are you gaining with the set up of your right knee levers as opposed to putting the 7th string raise on the lever that raises the first and 2nd string and your 6th string lower on the lever that lowers your 2nd and 9th strings? I use these changes a lot, I just never thought of putting them where you have them.

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Harry; I don't want my 6th string and 9th string to lower at the same time; as I use them together a lot.
I also play my 5th and 6th string together with the 2nd string and don't want the 6th to move when I lower the 2nd string. > there is more.....but like I said; you have to invision and use your set up the way you play. I did lower my 6th string on the RKR some time ago...but didn't lower my 9th on it..
I do change my setup around about every month....so I'm certainly not fixed on one thing.
Ricky
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Max Stuckey · From: Florida, USA

Hi Ricky: Did you mean to show the 6th string lowered to F# instead of G note?

Just Thinking. Merry Christmas

MAX STUCKEY

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