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Billy Knowles
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Kenansville, N. C. 28349 usa
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Posted 6 Nov 2007 1:24 pm |
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What difference will I hear between a JBL and the Evans speaker in an Evans amp
Thanks
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Alan Harrison
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Murfreesboro Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Nov 2007 7:08 pm Deltalite Speaker vs JBL
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I too am interested in some of the forum's Evans users on this question. I have a 2004 SE 200 with the 15" Deltalite. Someone suggested in a post some time ago that the Deltalite was an 8 olhm speaker but the output on the Evans was 4 olhm. If this is true, that may be the reason that my SE 200 doesn't seem to have the umph that my 80 watt Peavey Nashville 112 has. However, I love the sound of the Evans. Any Suggestions. Alan
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2007 6:29 am
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Which JBL?
Be careful with JBL's. Many people are under the impression a D-130F, for example, is a 100-watt speaker when it's not; it will handle 50 watts, maybe 60 when new. Too many players think JBL=high power handling and clean sound. Only half that is right with most models.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 7 Nov 2007 7:07 am
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Alan, you are correct. I had an SE-200 with the Emminece Delta lite speaker. It is 8 ohms and I could never get enought out of it wide open, even in relatively "low power" places. I sent it back to Evans and they checked it out (adjusted the output idle bias as I was getting some hum) and sent it back. I sold it and bought a Nashville 1000.
Their 200 watts is based on a 4 ohm load, but they "shoot themselves in the foot" by putting in an 8 ohm speaker. Max output on the SE-200 with an 8 ohm load is approx 127 watts.
I'm now using a Nashville 112 and it is a "loud 80 watts". I run the input at 4 and the output at 6 and have more "volume" than I did with the Evans SE-200. |
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Alan Harrison
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Murfreesboro Tennessee, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2007 8:25 am 8 ohlm speakers
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Thanks Jack for the information. I love the tone of the Evans but no poop. I also use either one or two Nashville 112's most of the time. Maybe someone will come out with a 4 olhm light weight 15" speaker for steel guitar. I thought when I bought it that I was getting a 200 watt amp. I use a Profex II and when I run one 112 and the Evans, I have to turn the Evans up to about 3/4 full volume to get the same output of the Peavey. Again Thanks. Alan
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Mullen (Black) Pre G-2 9x7, B.L. 705 PUP's, Evans SE 200 Telonics NEO 15-4, BJS Bar, Peterson Strobo Flip, Steelers Choice Seat, Folgers Coffee and Hilton Pedals.
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Willis Vanderberg
From:
Petoskey Mi
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Posted 12 Nov 2007 4:24 pm
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I am running a JBL D-130 F in my Evans SE-200.I don't have any problem with too little volume.
This amp came with the Fane speaker which was supposed to be the new thing. I never cared for the sound of it.I have had this JBL and another one for years and run them in place of other brands in what ever amp I have. I just sold a Session400 with a D-130 in it. you could blow the windows out with that one. I have a Session 500 MK lV with a K-130 in it . It too is very powerful.
I also like my Nashville 112. It does most of the travelling with me. These others are in my music room. I have found the only way to realy get the impedence on the JBL is with a meter. They seem to vary somewhat..Is this normal ? |
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Larry Hamilton
From:
Amarillo,Tx
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Posted 12 Nov 2007 4:45 pm
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Alan and Willis, I have a Large enclosure Evans E-200. I had a PV 1502 in it for a long time and recently put a 1501 shallow basket in it. Both sound are 4 ohm and both sound wonderful. As they say "tone to the bone". Lots of poop. I can't really tell any major differnce in the speakers. I am always tweeking a little.
Played with a pretty loud band this last week end and had no problem with my volume, just my ear drums. Hope the helps a little.
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Alan Harrison
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Murfreesboro Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Nov 2007 1:39 pm PV 1501-4
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Thanks Larry, I may have to try the 1501. I like the weight of my SE and I know that going to the Peavey speaker would add a lot of extra weight but if I have to change it out, I'll just have to use my hand cart. I keep thinking that Peavey or someone else, will come out with a light weight 15" 4 olhm speaker that will have great tone with steel guitar. alan
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Mullen (Black) Pre G-2 9x7, B.L. 705 PUP's, Evans SE 200 Telonics NEO 15-4, BJS Bar, Peterson Strobo Flip, Steelers Choice Seat, Folgers Coffee and Hilton Pedals.
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 14 Nov 2007 6:05 am
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| I have found the only way to really get the impedence on the JBL is with a meter. They seem to vary somewhat..Is this normal ? |
No (other than they WILL vary at just under the rated impedance as you're reading DC resistance, not impedance), and my guess is if you could crank those amps all the way and not blow the speakers those JBL's are recones; you can modify any speaker for higher power handling, within limits depending on the VC diameter. I've seen many reconed D130F's used for 100-watt+ applications, usually because the speaker was blown in its original state. Recones can vary widely in impedance - QC with many reconers isn't the same as in a factory. Stock JBL's I'v always found to be pretty consistent as far as impedance, but I never trust numbers printed on an older speaker - too much chance of a recone, and a speaker could easily have been reconed as a 4-ohm (say an original 8-ohm 15", reconed and used to replace a x12" Twin Reverb setup); I always measure them.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Jerry Meek
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 16 Nov 2007 4:21 pm S E 200
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| If you like the sound of it with a deltalite speaker you'll love it with a 1501 shallow basket BW it is worth the extra weight and I have a sore back but I wouldn't go back. tone is everything. I can get so close to an Emmons P.P. tone with my Zum. and sounds equally good with my ProII Sho Bud. Jerry |
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Alan Harrison
From:
Murfreesboro Tennessee, USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2007 6:13 am Speaker For Evans SE-200 Amp.
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I thought I would try the 15" Eminence Basslite Speaker in my SE-200. It is rated at 300 watts and is 4 olhm. I received it a few days ago and so far I am very pleased with the sound. I have not had it on stage yet but I think it is going to work out great. The sound is a little brighter than with the Deltalite but with a little tweeking, I have gotten about the same tone. The weight of the baselite is a little over 5 lbs and the difference in power with the 4 olhm speaker seems to be about a third more than before. I don't notice any difference in the sustain above the 12th position and the tone seems to be about the same as with the Deltalite. It will get a good workout in the next few weeks and I will post an update after I have a chance to put it to the test. There may be a down side to this but so far I haven't heard it. (But I'm Sure That Someone on the Forum Will Tell Me What It Is.) alan
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