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Topic: Lloyd Green - The Byrds' "Nothing Was Delivered" |
Chris LeDrew
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Posted 2 Nov 2007 9:33 pm |
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The solo pedal steel intro on this song is obviously a 5 and 8 combination, descending and ascending in a predictable "Lloyd" pattern. Trouble is, no matter how hard I try, I just can't quite nail that tone and feel. It's amazing how easy a lick can appear, before you try it yourself. And it ain't in the execution. It's in the feel. In Lloyd's case, the steel seems to transcend reality. And no, I'm not stoned. 
It's the same with Clapton. Sure, you can mimic the notes he plays. But it's really hard to capture his feel. Lloyd's playing does this to me a lot. Panther Hall is full of such moments. But that intro on "Nothing Was Delivered" from Sweetheart is just exquisite, simplistic greatness - and virtually impossible to recapture, in my humble opinion.
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 5:27 am
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| I know what you mean; years ago I'd sit across from Jay Dee Maness, watching, concentrating, but I could never do it. I still enjoy trying though. It seems to me that certain musicians have that certain "it", that is, IMO, a gift. |
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 6:07 am Re: Lloyd Green - The Byrds' "Nothing Was Delivered&qu
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| Chris LeDrew wrote: |
| ...And no, I'm not stoned. |
Maybe that's the problem...?  |
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 6:09 am
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I don't think it was a problem for Gram and Roger. 
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Jim Eaton
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 8:02 am
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On the remastered version of SOTR there are several rehersal and alternate takes that give a peek into just how many ways Lloyd seems to be able to play the same song and come up with diffrent parts that all make the corners of your mouth turn up!
JE:-)>
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 9:12 am
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Yes, Jim, I have this set and love listening to Lloyd's novel takes. Jay Dee is captured on alternate takes doing this as well, particularly "The Christian Life".
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 10:10 am
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Chris,
I'm not sure what you mean by a "five and eight combination" since I hear it with the 4 6 10 string grip. Beautiful and haunting intro.
Shef
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 11:06 am
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Ha-ha......maybe that's why I was having trouble getting the sound.....I thought it was done with the 5th & 8th strings.  And my steel is packed up and on its way to a gig, so I can't give it a shot. Thanks for sharing the tab, Mike. I can't wait to give it a try.
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 11:19 am
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 12:15 pm
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| Shef, just to clarify, your tab has a few notes marked "RKL" but your legend only lists "LKL" and "LKR". Which one should it be? Raising or lowering the Es? |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 1:50 pm
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Thanks for pointing out my error Jim. What would I do without you! I goofed but have now made the necessary corrections.
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 2:21 pm
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| Mike Shefrin wrote: |
| What would I do without you! |
I don't know, Mike. I can't get past all the things I would do without you...
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 2:22 pm
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| Now Jiiiiimmmm... |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 2:37 pm
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
| Now Jiiiiimmmm... |
Hey wait a minute... that's my line!!! |
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 3:36 pm
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Ah, the finer moments in life. I just heard from Mr. Green, who has offered to share this information with us:
| Lloyd Green wrote: |
I just read the thread about this ancient Byrd's tune (1968), "Nothing Was Delivered". Takes me back to a wonderful earlier time, almost 40 years ago!
What you and Mike Shefrin hear, or think you hear on the intro is an.....illusion. Mike has it charted correctly except for one single beat. Where you guys think you hear a 4th string lowering it's actually my 6th & 10th.
I'm on the 4th fret for the C# closed10th chord (4, 6 &10) and for that one single quarter note I release the B pedal, thus lowering my 6th & 10th strings and changing the chord to F minor. If you listen again with this in mind you'll realize the 4th string never moves.
Since I've established a coherent melody line the brain is tricked into believing that note has followed the natural contour by using all 3 notes in a 4 chord position when in reality only the rest of the chord has changed. I had removed my E to E flat lower (4th string) about 3 years earlier but even if I still had it would have played the change the way I did since it creates a much better effect.
There was certainly a lot of heavy duty smoke haze in the studio during those sessions, and while I may have gotten a little giddy from the exhalations I didn't smoke myself. While I had no aversion to the stuff I couldn't cut records and think without a clear head.....so I had to watch the party from the sidelines. Now I will admit to sipping some of the Lancer's Vin Rose the guys started with each day (now there's a headache producer for you!) but I kept that to a minimum.
I always wanted to have a clear memory of that era and I do.
Best regards,
Lloyd Green. |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 6:14 pm
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So that's how he did it. That's simply ingenious. All the time I thought he was lowering the 4th string but it was the move off the B pedal on the fourth fret. Well, I was pretty close (I gotta start drinking more Lancer's Vin Rose I guess) Thanks Lloyd for setting us all straight on this.
Here then is the definitive and final correct version-
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 3 Nov 2007 9:19 pm Edited
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edit
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William Fraser
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Posted 4 Nov 2007 1:49 am Correct tab/ you a'int goin nowhere
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After 10 yrs of playing & wondering, I'd love to see the correct intro for You ain't goin nowhere.The alternate takes are to die for ,especially One Hundred yrs from now. Chris how do you get by with 1 steel? better run & unpack so you can see how Mr. G did it.I love the intro to Someday Soon, & was surprised to see the tab Mr. E provided, I often wonder if other folks vary the way they do SIGNATURE intro/turnarounds. Best string I've seen in awhile  Thanks Billy Lee Fraser
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Andy Sandoval
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Posted 4 Nov 2007 2:41 am
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| William, here's the link to the "you ain't goin nowhere" tab Click Here |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 4 Nov 2007 11:09 am
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edited
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 5 Nov 2007 1:38 am
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| At a glance I'd say to make a long story short if I could play the 10 string E9 Pedal Steel I would go to G# and slide into C# pump the B pedal and slide into G# all on strings 4,6,10 and then to C# to D# and pedal into G# all on strings 3,4,5. and with a little luck I would sound almost like Lloyd. |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 5 Nov 2007 2:07 am
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| Well, now I know why we have tablature. |
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 5 Nov 2007 3:02 am
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Mike Shefrin...
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| Well, now I know why we have tablature. |
Hope you didn't think I was putting you down. I was just agreeing that this is very simple and knowing what strings this was picked on and using your ear most every player could play this.
As for the tab, what I stated is every bit as clear as tab that does not include notation and a C#Major is also a Fm#5, Bbm7, Bb7#9 I could go on all day but C#major by any other name is still a C#Major and in this case releasing the B pedal on the 4th fret also makes it a C#Major7, but all this chord stuff comes under the heading of who cares. |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 5 Nov 2007 9:03 am
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b0b
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Posted 5 Nov 2007 9:33 am
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The timing would help.  |
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