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David Fields
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 7:08 am |
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I am still merely a beginner, and I only have a single neck, but those double necks with a pad or the C6th neck look huge!
From what I hear Lloyd Green kind of brought about the single neck on a double frame with pad.
I just know from what I have (single neck no pad) that a lot of the places that I have played in the past few years would not have the room for such.
I think some might even call them dives?
The stage is an afterthought, and you just could not fit a double in there.
Maybe I am getting in trouble here, but isn't the pad a bit of a crutch?
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 7:15 am
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That's kind of the way I always looked at it too. If I played a single neck, I would want a single neck body, why carry around that extra weight. If I need something to lean on between songs, I can lean on the strings, like I do on the D-10.
But everyone has their own opinion, that's why there's Fords and Chevys.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 8:41 am
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To each his own. But there is also the issue of the depth of the body and how one's legs fit under the guitar ergonomically. I have trouble with a narrow single body, because I'm tall and my legs are very long. I can handle a 1-1/2 wide universal or a double wide - but really, honestly - a double-wide usually fits me better. For me, it's a tradeoff between weight and comfort. Suffice to say, the guitar that I schlep around most is a single-wide universal.
I have heard some players - including some very knowledgable ones whose opinions I respect - argue that there is a difference in tonality and sustain. I haven't studied this carefully myself, so I don't have an opinion. |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 9:19 am
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I have played a single frame S 10 since day one... I have had a few D 10's and SD 10's, but I always dump them in favor of a single frame.. I detect no differences in tone or sustain... If its there, its just about imperceptable.
Unlike our taller friend Dave, I like a smaller and lower body, but thats mostly personal taste. Some guys like a bunch of room, but even though I am decent size [210 lb 6 ft] I prefer a more "snug" fit when playing .. I really dislike a large double body steel... bob |
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 9:36 am
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I play an SD10 with a pad because thats the best used guitar I could find/afford. I DO like the knee levers being in a better position for me on the SD10...but I DONT like the added weight. The pads comfy tho..and it makes me feel like I'm sitting at a bar  |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 12:09 pm
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I play a single wide 12 string and have favored that for a long time. I also play guitar at my gigs so I have more room behind my steel for an acoustic or electric guitar without having to slide my packseat back............JH in Va.
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 5:30 pm
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after having had 3 S-10s, i have to go along with Ben on this one, i like the placement of the knee levers on my SD-10 much better plus i just like having the pad there
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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John Bresler R.I.P.
From:
Thornton, Colorado
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 6:12 pm
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I play a Mullen S-12U which has a half neck with pad on the back side. This adds the depth for knee and pedal placement plus the pad helps greatly for wrist comfort. Not sure if this model is still available.
I've been playing this for about 7 years.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 7:09 pm
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Doug-It seems that you and I think a lot alike...al.:::
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My Email.. almarcus@cmedic.net
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David Fields
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 8:33 pm Thanks
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Hey Al:
I just went to you website and besides all of the history really enjoyed the bit about the tunings.
Great information.
Great website. You are truly the musician's musician.
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 9:54 pm Single neck without a pad
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| I started out with a double 10, then a U-12, no pad, now an Ext. E9th on a double body with a pad. I got used to all of them and never considered it an issue. I liked them all, just fine. Having said that, I must say that I do prefer the single neck on a double body with the pad. I like the placement of the knee levers better, the extra weight seems to make it more stable, and I like being able to rest my arms on the pad. But if I changed guitars for any reason, I would take either one. It is just a matter of what you get used to, in my opinion. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 5 Oct 2007 10:33 pm
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| I can barely get my feet on the pedals of an S-10, much less reach the knee levers. Just not enough room. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 6 Oct 2007 6:51 am
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Hi David, Thanks for looking at my website and your kind comments. I appreciate it. Just a little bit of my history over these 70 plus years of playing..al.
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Jimmie Brown
From:
Fayetteville, NC, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2007 3:49 pm single neck
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I have had both but i'm just not as comfortable with the single as i am with the SD with the pad.Also i think that the single is not as stable.
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David Fields
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 11 Oct 2007 9:06 am Not as Stable
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Jimmie:
I would definitely think that anything bigger with more area and weight would definitely be more stable....but to me the great thing about a single neck with no pad is that I can't tell any difference in sustain or sound and they are easier to tote around because of weight.
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 11 Oct 2007 7:30 pm Re: Not as Stable
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Jimmie:
I would definitely think that anything bigger with more area and weight would definitely be more stable....but to me the great thing about a single neck with no pad is that I can't tell any difference in sustain or sound and they are easier to tote around because of weight.
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Exactly.....the trade off is stability vs. weight. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 11 Oct 2007 7:54 pm
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| More mass, more tone. |
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David Fields
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 12 Oct 2007 4:02 am No difference
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Kevin:
More mass more tone would be the logical answer.
I know for sure that I have a good ear for music and that is what it comes down to for me.
I just can't tell the difference. |
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J Fletcher
From:
London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 12 Oct 2007 5:10 am
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| What would "more tone" be? More fundamental and fewer harmonics? More of everything? I have two push pulls, an SD10 and an S10, and prefer the sound of the S10. It's livelier, and sounds pretty big. And a lot easier to carry and load in and out of my car's trunk...Jerry |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 12 Oct 2007 9:04 am
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I believe that if one of our top stars would play a song on a SD 10 then play the same song on a S10, his tone would be the same, we probably wouldn't notice any difference.....al.
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My Email.. almarcus@cmedic.net
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Jay Jessup
From:
Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 12 Oct 2007 9:31 am
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| More mass, more tone. |
Really? I know in the six string world it used to be thought that more mass=more sustain but these days all guitar manufacturers seem to think lighter=more resonant and therefor better tone but maybe this line of thinking doesn't transfer to the steel?? |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 12 Oct 2007 10:11 am
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| My observation over has been a fuller sound overall with an SD-10. |
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