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Topic: Grooved bullet bars? |
Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 7:39 am |
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| Is there anyone making a double bullet bar with a groove? I like the shubb pierce sp1 I have but wish the back side had the same bullet cutaway as the front. |
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Brad Bechtel
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 26 Sep 2007 7:57 am
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I don't know of anybody making such a bar. Sorry.
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 12:28 am
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I have been trying to find one of these at least a year,Carter used to have them,but no more,don't you know.
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Gary Boyett
From:
Colorado/ Lives in Arizona
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 3:00 am
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We have been trying to make one of these in glass for years but have had no luck. The only way we can do it is to use a mold.
The closest thing I have seen is the GS Steel
I had Gary make a custom one with a rounded tip.The bar is really nice.
There have also bee a few different types made that are similar to the GS.
If you just start using only a bullet bar for two weeks you will get the hang of it and not look back.
Good luck in your search |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 5:43 am
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| Thanks for the tip, I'll check out those bars you suggested. I like bullet bars in general but without the groove grip I find it harder to control the bar when doing single string hammer ons and pull offs. I play non pedal so I do a lot of bar motion. |
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Mark White
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 7:21 am
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Chuck Brattain (Red Rajah) makes a bullet bar with grooves but doesn't have a picture of it on his site. A while back I asked him if he had a picture of one but I didn't get a reply. He calls it the "Grovey Bar".
http://www.aguitarcenter.com/category.html?UCIDs=697662 |
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John Bushouse
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Posted 27 Sep 2007 5:04 pm
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| I've got a Grovey bar; I think it's 3 1/4" x 7/8". It's too heavy and big for my tastes (I prefer 3" x 3/4"). |
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Loni Specter
From:
West Hills, CA, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 12:59 am
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| I've got a Grovey bar; I think it's 3 1/4" x 7/8". It's too heavy and big for my tastes (I prefer 3" x 3/4"). |
If want to sell that to me, I'd like to try it. |
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Charley Wilder
From:
Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 5:37 am
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How about a Stevens with one or both ends filed round?? I have one end of mine filed but you could file both, right? Norman Blake showed me that trick back in the 70's! (I love dropping names!)  |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 5:59 am
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Charles, did you have to use a special kind of file to get the ends smooth? I'd like to see a picture of your bar is possible - sounds like exactly what I'm looking for.
I think I'm also going to try one of the Twister double bullet bars sold at Scotty's. |
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Charley Wilder
From:
Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 6:38 am
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| Unfortunately I can't post pics, Greg. I don't recall anything different about the files. I think I just tried a few and the one that worked best (coarse or fine wise) I went with. The finer the better I would think and don't round it off any more than you have to to make it work. I may have finished it off with some crocus cloth or whatever. I like having just one end round. The best of both worlds! |
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Jude Reinhardt
From:
Weaverville, NC
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 7:14 am
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You might contact forum member Jim Burden at -
http://www.bulletbars.com/ and see what he can do for you. When I couldn't find the Twister bar I wanted he made me a double ended bar that I'm very pleased with.
Jude
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 1:25 pm
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It's hard to explain without pics[someone posted a photo of the carter bar about a year ago]all it is ,is a standard seven-eightth by three and a quarter bar with grooves on each side,one groove for the thumb,the other for middle finger,with index on top.with the bullet nose.maybe if the person still has the photos and could post them would clear up the confusion.
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Jude Reinhardt
From:
Weaverville, NC
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 2:52 pm
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| Charles Davidson wrote: |
| It's hard to explain without pics[someone posted a photo of the carter bar about a year ago]all it is ,is a standard seven-eightth by three and a quarter bar with grooves on each side,one groove for the thumb,the other for middle finger,with index on top.with the bullet nose.maybe if the person still has the photos and could post them would clear up the confusion. |
If you take a stainless non-plated bar, the grooves could be cut using a vise, three cornered file, and a 3/16" dia. round chain-saw file. I'd put two strips of masking tape lengthwise on the bar separated just enough so I had a guide line for the three cornered file and cut a shallow V-groove to lay the round file into. You would end up with a 3/16" wide groove, 3/32" deep using a 3/16" wide file using a groove depth of half the diameter of the file. These are ball park measurements as I'm sure there are a variety of round file sizes.
Jude
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Roman Sonnleitner
From:
Vienna, Austria
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Posted 28 Sep 2007 11:31 pm
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| Charles Wilder wrote: |
| How about a Stevens with one or both ends filed round?? I have one end of mine filed but you could file both, right? Norman Blake showed me that trick back in the 70's! (I love dropping names!) |
Why didn't you just get a Shubb Pearse SP2 (which, essentially, is a Stevens-style with a rounded nose...) - or was that before they became available (don't know how long the SP2 has been around)? |
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Don Walters
From:
Saskatchewan Canada
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Posted 30 Sep 2007 9:35 am
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I bought this bar from Carter several years ago when I was about to play my first public appearance on PSG in 40 years ... thought it would be easier to hold onto, and it was. But I didn't like the tone ... I can hear quite a difference between it and a BJS bar, and I'm not a pro with an experienced ear.
The other side is also grooved, just like the visible side. It's 3 3/8" tall and 7/8" at its widest
If anyone wants to make an offer on it you can e-mail me. I'll never use it.
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Keith Cordell
From:
San Diego
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Posted 30 Sep 2007 1:02 pm
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| I'd email you Walter... but you didn't have an email address posted... |
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Don Walters
From:
Saskatchewan Canada
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Posted 30 Sep 2007 4:49 pm
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Sorry, Keith. I didn't realize my email was disabled on this board. It should work now.
And it's Don ...  |
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Keith Cordell
From:
San Diego
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Posted 30 Sep 2007 5:58 pm
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| Yikes. Was thinking of my uncle Walter... |
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Charley Wilder
From:
Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2007 12:04 pm
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| Roman, when Norman showed me that trick there was no Schubb anything. That trick was probably where schubb got his idea from!! |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 6:34 am
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| I haven't seen an SP2 up close - are the ends rounded enough to not catch strings when moving front to back across the neck? The pictures of it I've seen looked more like a straight edged Steven's type bar. |
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Chris Walke
From:
St Charles, IL
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 8:02 am
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| Greg Gefell wrote: |
| I haven't seen an SP2 up close - are the ends rounded enough to not catch strings when moving front to back across the neck? The pictures of it I've seen looked more like a straight edged Steven's type bar. |
I use the SP-2, and I've never experienced the bar catching the strings. If you are referring to the back end of the bar catching the strings, I'd start by looking at your bar technique. That shouldn't happen.
SP-2 is a great combination of stevens style and bullet nose. |
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 3 Oct 2007 5:45 am
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| There is a fellow in Georgia named Marshall Neely who can make you a grooved bar. I have several and like them. email him at rmneely@yahoo.com |
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