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It's a Pull Release changer so there needs to be enough slack in the C pedal raise rod to allow the 4th finger to drop a semitone when its knee lever is activated.

Sometimes, to get enough slack in ...

I've measured the movement of the 4th string full-tone raise on my Marlen.
As it is a pull-release system, the finger is one-piece, and therefore it's very easy to get an accurate measurement.

I m ...

Check that the nut rollers are free to rotate
Tighten the'lower'return springs slightly (assuming it's an all pull steel)

The extra tuner is the half tone raise on the 4th string
It's just a regular raise rod with a bent rod welded to it (see pics)
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/2419_f_setup2_1.jpg

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Have you manually operated the changer and the push rod has accidentally dropped out?

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/2419_push_rod_dropping_out_1.jpg

Thanks Guys for all your suggestions Very Happy

A lot of interesting ideas in those old Forum discussions, thanks for the Heads Up, everyone Very Happy

I had a stroke about a month ago, and initially I completely lost the use of my left arm and left hand.
However I am slowly recovering some movement of my arm and hand(not enough to hold my regular t ...

Unfortunately, my steel playing (and guitar playing) days are also now over.
I lost the use of my left hand and arm due to suffering a stroke a few weeks ago

A bit of gentle heat may be all that is required to free off the tuning screws
Get a hairdryer and let it warm up the aluminium endplate. The aluminium will expand quite a bit more than the steel tun ...

Have you changed from a plain 6th string to a wound 6th string ?
If so, you will definitely need more pedal travel to accommodate the 6th string lower.

It seems to me that the culprit could be the cross shaft (the one that lowers the E's) is flexing slightly when it come back to neutral after being activated

I prefer not to have pedal return springs on a pull-release steel as a pedal constantly at the top of its stroke gets in the way (it only needs to be at the top of its stroke when its associated strin ...

Nice Job, but a word of caution:
Explain to your daughter (if you haven't already) that it is not wise to lean forward and have her face too close to the strings, just in case a string breaks and dam ...

If the C pedal cross-shaft has more flex than the A pedal cross-shaft, then there may be a different resultant note when the split is activated.

Counterintuitively, you may have to slacken the Lower Return Spring. (A too-tight spring can cause the changer finger to pivot on the lowering rod nylon tuner]

Also, remove the helper springs

ht ...

Brett, I hope you don't mind, but I've made some alterations to your instructions (emphasised in italics)

"Since your guitar will only have half step raises and lowers, there's no good reason ...

As a retired toolmaker/machinist/maintenance man, I have come to realise that the more simple that a mechanical contraption is, the more reliable and trouble-free it is.

My 1966 Marlen is simplicit ...

If you don't mind going 'non-standard' you could make a new plate and locate it above the 3 flat bars.

You could use the existing holes (marked with green arrows on the image) to screw the plate to ...

Far easier than sending the steel off would be to post some pictures on the forum, detailing the minor adjustments that you want to make, and then actually doing the work yourself when you have gleane ...

The difference in an excellent steel and a special steel is non-existent, it's who's driving it that matters Shocked

On my PushPull I lower the wound sixth string a full tone, which is a lot of travel for the return spring. The effort required to activate this lower increases as the finger progresses to its stop.
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Those gauges are OK, with the exception of the second string, which in my opinion should be .015

Tastes change.
Some guitars of yesteryear, considered lemons at the time, have mysteriously matured into diamonds Shocked

It looks very similar to my Marlen, a 1966 Model 210.

The changer mounting blocks and changer fingers are assembled the wrong way around, as are the tuning heads.

I don't understand what is goin ...

I've encountered this phenomenon in the past, it was so annoying that I resorted to putting a tiny drop of thick oil on the top of the changer, to kill the decay of the note.

I have only ever notic ...

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Topic: Help Needed
richard burton Replies: 11 Views: 1918	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 22 Aug 2024 10:17 am Subject: Help Needed
richard burton Replies: 11 Views: 1918	It's a Pull Release changer so there needs to be enough slack in the C pedal raise rod to allow the 4th finger to drop a semitone when its knee lever is activated. Sometimes, to get enough slack in ...
Topic: String stretch length
richard burton Replies: 12 Views: 4429	Forum Section: Builders' Corner Posted: 10 Aug 2024 12:07 am Subject: String stretch length
richard burton Replies: 12 Views: 4429	I've measured the movement of the 4th string full-tone raise on my Marlen. As it is a pull-release system, the finger is one-piece, and therefore it's very easy to get an accurate measurement. I m ...
Topic: question on pulls
richard burton Replies: 19 Views: 3601	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 30 Jul 2024 6:38 am Subject: question on pulls
richard burton Replies: 19 Views: 3601	Check that the nut rollers are free to rotate Tighten the'lower'return springs slightly (assuming it's an all pull steel)
Topic: ZB Custom Student Model
richard burton Replies: 11 Views: 1272	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 15 Jul 2024 8:44 am Subject: ZB Custom Student Model
richard burton Replies: 11 Views: 1272	The extra tuner is the half tone raise on the 4th string It's just a regular raise rod with a bent rod welded to it (see pics) https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/2419_f_setup2_1.jpg htt ...
Topic: Emmons PP E - Eb knee lever adjustment needed.
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 991	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 9 Jul 2024 3:33 am Subject: Emmons PP E - Eb knee lever adjustment needed.
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 991	Have you manually operated the changer and the push rod has accidentally dropped out? https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/2419_push_rod_dropping_out_1.jpg
Topic: Tone bar recommendations for playing after a stroke
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3522	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 1 Jan 2024 5:27 am Subject: Tone bar recommendations for playing after a stroke
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3522	Thanks Guys for all your suggestions A lot of interesting ideas in those old Forum discussions, thanks for the Heads Up, everyone
Topic: Tone bar recommendations for playing after a stroke
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3522	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 30 Dec 2023 7:54 am Subject: Tone bar recommendations for playing after a stroke
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3522	I had a stroke about a month ago, and initially I completely lost the use of my left arm and left hand. However I am slowly recovering some movement of my arm and hand(not enough to hold my regular t ...
Topic: Parking the Steel, its time.
richard burton Replies: 36 Views: 29423	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 19 Dec 2023 4:16 am Subject: Parking the Steel, its time.
richard burton Replies: 36 Views: 29423	Unfortunately, my steel playing (and guitar playing) days are also now over. I lost the use of my left hand and arm due to suffering a stroke a few weeks ago
Topic: 1975 Marlen Tuning Issue — Hex Screws Not Moving
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 985	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 16 Aug 2023 4:02 am Subject: 1975 Marlen Tuning Issue — Hex Screws Not Moving
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 985	A bit of gentle heat may be all that is required to free off the tuning screws Get a hairdryer and let it warm up the aluminium endplate. The aluminium will expand quite a bit more than the steel tun ...
Topic: String 6 Push Pull
richard burton Replies: 6 Views: 918	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 7 Aug 2023 6:19 am Subject: String 6 Push Pull
richard burton Replies: 6 Views: 918	Have you changed from a plain 6th string to a wound 6th string ? If so, you will definitely need more pedal travel to accommodate the 6th string lower.
Topic: Pull-release E-lever returning flat
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 1111	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 26 Jun 2023 11:22 am Subject: Pull-release E-lever returning flat
richard burton Replies: 5 Views: 1111	It seems to me that the culprit could be the cross shaft (the one that lowers the E's) is flexing slightly when it come back to neutral after being activated
Topic: pedal return springs???
richard burton Replies: 4 Views: 2222	Forum Section: Builders' Corner Posted: 13 Jan 2023 3:47 am Subject: pedal return springs???
richard burton Replies: 4 Views: 2222	I prefer not to have pedal return springs on a pull-release steel as a pedal constantly at the top of its stroke gets in the way (it only needs to be at the top of its stroke when its associated strin ...
Topic: Child size pedal steel
richard burton Replies: 6 Views: 2930	Forum Section: Builders' Corner Posted: 10 Jan 2023 8:05 am Subject: Child size pedal steel
richard burton Replies: 6 Views: 2930	Nice Job, but a word of caution: Explain to your daughter (if you haven't already) that it is not wise to lean forward and have her face too close to the strings, just in case a string breaks and dam ...
Topic: Mechanics of Split tuning
richard burton Replies: 13 Views: 3861	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 30 Oct 2022 1:04 pm Subject: Mechanics of Split tuning
richard burton Replies: 13 Views: 3861	If the C pedal cross-shaft has more flex than the A pedal cross-shaft, then there may be a different resultant note when the split is activated.
Topic: Lowering finger activates raise finger?
richard burton Replies: 28 Views: 4339	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 23 Feb 2022 11:45 pm Subject: Lowering finger activates raise finger?
richard burton Replies: 28 Views: 4339	Counterintuitively, you may have to slacken the Lower Return Spring. (A too-tight spring can cause the changer finger to pivot on the lowering rod nylon tuner] Also, remove the helper springs ht ...
Topic: Marlen tuning mechanisms
richard burton Replies: 8 Views: 3950	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 26 Jan 2022 5:34 am Subject: Marlen tuning mechanisms
richard burton Replies: 8 Views: 3950	Brett, I hope you don't mind, but I've made some alterations to your instructions (emphasised in italics) "Since your guitar will only have half step raises and lowers, there's no good reason ...
Topic: Who plays pull release in 2022?
richard burton Replies: 25 Views: 8493	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 18 Jan 2022 12:32 am Subject: Who plays pull release in 2022?
richard burton Replies: 25 Views: 8493	As a retired toolmaker/machinist/maintenance man, I have come to realise that the more simple that a mechanical contraption is, the more reliable and trouble-free it is. My 1966 Marlen is simplicit ...
Topic: ZB Issues
richard burton Replies: 50 Views: 16930	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 14 Dec 2021 7:49 am Subject: ZB Issues
richard burton Replies: 50 Views: 16930	If you don't mind going 'non-standard' you could make a new plate and locate it above the 3 flat bars. You could use the existing holes (marked with green arrows on the image) to screw the plate to ...
Topic: Emmons Push Pull Adjusting
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 5801	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 28 Nov 2021 11:56 pm Subject: Emmons Push Pull Adjusting
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 5801	Far easier than sending the steel off would be to post some pictures on the forum, detailing the minor adjustments that you want to make, and then actually doing the work yourself when you have gleane ...
Topic: The difference in a excellent steel an a special steel!
richard burton Replies: 28 Views: 7922	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 15 Oct 2021 8:27 am Subject: The difference in a excellent steel an a special steel!
richard burton Replies: 28 Views: 7922	The difference in an excellent steel and a special steel is non-existent, it's who's driving it that matters
Topic: Emmons push pull springs?
richard burton Replies: 17 Views: 4186	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 2 Oct 2021 11:28 pm Subject: Emmons push pull springs?
richard burton Replies: 17 Views: 4186	On my PushPull I lower the wound sixth string a full tone, which is a lot of travel for the return spring. The effort required to activate this lower increases as the finger progresses to its stop. ...
Topic: MSA Sidekick Question
richard burton Replies: 1 Views: 929	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 12 Aug 2021 11:33 pm Subject: MSA Sidekick Question
richard burton Replies: 1 Views: 929	Those gauges are OK, with the exception of the second string, which in my opinion should be .015
Topic: Steel guitar tone from same Maufacture.
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3243	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 31 Jul 2021 9:26 am Subject: Steel guitar tone from same Maufacture.
richard burton Replies: 14 Views: 3243	Tastes change. Some guitars of yesteryear, considered lemons at the time, have mysteriously matured into diamonds
Topic: Marlen
richard burton Replies: 20 Views: 4555	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 27 Jul 2021 11:45 pm Subject: Marlen
richard burton Replies: 20 Views: 4555	It looks very similar to my Marlen, a 1966 Model 210. The changer mounting blocks and changer fingers are assembled the wrong way around, as are the tuning heads. I don't understand what is goin ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
richard burton Replies: 26 Views: 5358	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 30 Jun 2021 3:34 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
richard burton Replies: 26 Views: 5358	I've encountered this phenomenon in the past, it was so annoying that I resorted to putting a tiny drop of thick oil on the top of the changer, to kill the decay of the note. I have only ever notic ...