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Also, I might add, the dim7 makes for a good IV# passing chord, as in I-I7-IV-IV#dim7-I or the reverse IV-IV#dim7-I-I7.

If I had a nickel for every western swing tune that uses this sequence at one ...

From Andy Volk's interview with Billy Robinson , in "Lap Steel Guitar" , high to low E C A G E C A F# .
This is the tuning he used in the 1940's .

Okay, thank you. Case closed!

But wh ...

Hi Stefan,
thanks for your fast reply!

So, he did not have a high G on top at that time and switched to it later?
...because the chart you posted from his website indicates A-C-E-G-A-C-E-G when u ...

Hi, I apologize if my question was answered before, but I DID check the forum and found nothing..,

What tuning did Billy Robinson use in 1949? (When he was in Berlin with Hank and Red)

Also, at ...

Ooops, I made a mistake in my previous post about the Fender 400 and a fellow forumite was so kind to correct it. Here goes:
With the cable pulling system, each pedal can change two strings. That mea ...

Hey, wait a minute! Why is this at "Steel Without Pedals? Laughing

Pros of the Fender 400:
Excellent tone, especially the ones with the "Jazzmaster" pickup, fast 'n' easy set-up and cool looks.

Possible con:
You can only either raise OR lower strings ...

OK, here's my take on the sounds of olde tymes.

First, let's not forget we will never know what those amps and steels really sounded like - only what the engineers and A&R-man made them sound l ...

Chuck, I'm curious about your tuning Whoa!

I can see that it is basically a high C6 - but what's the advantage of using F instead of E as the lowest note? Can you elaborate on that?

Thanks, Mike. Restringing will start any minute now.

Mike, I'm going to restring my 8-string (Junior Brown's C13 w/ high G at the moment) to make it ready for your Speedy DVD Smile

What would be the best starting point for the different tunings you plan ...

To quote Hank Williams' biographer Colin Escott (about the recording of "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry", done in Cincinnati):
"...it was well worth driving 300 miles for Jerry Byrd's st ...

One of the important points of this next project is that there are 4 tunes all played in different tunings, all using 1 set of strings and 1 neck.
Does it mean that there is some retuning at order on ...

When I was starting out I wasted a lot of money buying new strings to try out different tunings, not realising that most can be accomplished with the same set of strings.
So, ignoring "special F ...

Whoa, Mike!
When is your Speedy West DVD-lesson ready to ship/download? That announcement sounds awesome!

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix0912/8442_Fretboard_1.jpg
As seen on eBay:
Am I mistaken or do the fretboard markers on this cheap Magnatone look egg-xactly like the ones that P. A. Bigsby use ...

Yeah! Those block chords on "Moanin' The Blues" drew me into lap steel in the first place!
...and the intro on "Walkin' After Midnight" Smile

Another consideration: IMHO it is easier getting out of the vocalists' way with a highpitched E6 than with A6 or even low C6,
allthough of course it may depend on the vocalist Laughing

Then again, I th ...

Jon,
I recall seeing a picture (here on SGF!) where Don had written out his tunings and string gauges for someone.

The E-tuning went (lo to hi): A C# E G# B C# E G#. So even with 8-strings, there ...

The tuning is just a plain vanilla C6

Does that mean, hi to low: E-C-A-G-E-C-A-G? Greetings from Germany.

Hi, I've read somewhere that these old metal-bodied Ricks weight at around 25 lbs. True?

Another forum member informs me that Most early Fender 400s had the non-adjustable legs that have one inch threads
I can't verify this, as the two early Fender 400s that I have access to both have th ...

Okay, after much to and fro I swapped legs of my '59 Fender 400, with a mid-sixties Stringmaster D8, that was in my vicinity.

The lowdown: Fender 400 legs will fit Stringmasters, but NOT vice versa ...

I know it might sound insane, but I plan to use a Fender 400 (pedal steel) Embarassed

as a non-pedal-console-whatchamacallit-steel!!!
And since I want to play it in a standing position, I'm looking for ...

Many thanks to all involved, especially J.Wilson for the good news. Mail was sent to Jason Lollar Smile

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Topic: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 21 Nov 2016 7:15 am Subject: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Also, I might add, the dim7 makes for a good IV# passing chord, as in I-I7-IV-IV#dim7-I or the reverse IV-IV#dim7-I-I7. If I had a nickel for every western swing tune that uses this sequence at one ...
Topic: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 19 Nov 2016 10:29 am Subject: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	From Andy Volk's interview with Billy Robinson , in "Lap Steel Guitar" , high to low E C A G E C A F# . This is the tuning he used in the 1940's . Okay, thank you. Case closed! But wh ...
Topic: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 15 Nov 2016 6:18 am Subject: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Hi Stefan, thanks for your fast reply! So, he did not have a high G on top at that time and switched to it later? ...because the chart you posted from his website indicates A-C-E-G-A-C-E-G when u ...
Topic: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 14 Nov 2016 10:00 am Subject: Billy Robinson's tuning in 1949?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 4179	Hi, I apologize if my question was answered before, but I DID check the forum and found nothing.., What tuning did Billy Robinson use in 1949? (When he was in Berlin with Hank and Red) Also, at ...
Topic: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 9 May 2011 10:27 pm Subject: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Ooops, I made a mistake in my previous post about the Fender 400 and a fellow forumite was so kind to correct it. Here goes: With the cable pulling system, each pedal can change two strings. That mea ...
Topic: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 9 May 2011 9:55 am Subject: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Hey, wait a minute! Why is this at "Steel Without Pedals?
Topic: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 9 May 2011 9:52 am Subject: Best pedal steel option for a C6 lap player
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 5108	Pros of the Fender 400: Excellent tone, especially the ones with the "Jazzmaster" pickup, fast 'n' easy set-up and cool looks. Possible con: You can only either raise OR lower strings ...
Topic: Amps of the 30,s,40,s
Nils Fliegner Replies: 49 Views: 13946	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 18 Oct 2010 11:40 am Subject: Amps of the 30,s,40,s
Nils Fliegner Replies: 49 Views: 13946	OK, here's my take on the sounds of olde tymes. First, let's not forget we will never know what those amps and steels really sounded like - only what the engineers and A&R-man made them sound l ...
Topic: Sweet Someone-a Tribute to Jerry Byrd
Nils Fliegner Replies: 10 Views: 4760	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 14 Sep 2010 1:54 pm Subject: Sweet Someone-a Tribute to Jerry Byrd
Nils Fliegner Replies: 10 Views: 4760	Chuck, I'm curious about your tuning I can see that it is basically a high C6 - but what's the advantage of using F instead of E as the lowest note? Can you elaborate on that?
Topic: Ouestion for Mike Neer re: Speedy DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1045	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 7 Sep 2010 8:08 am Subject: Ouestion for Mike Neer re: Speedy DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1045	Thanks, Mike. Restringing will start any minute now.
Topic: Ouestion for Mike Neer re: Speedy DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1045	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 6 Sep 2010 10:33 pm Subject: Ouestion for Mike Neer re: Speedy DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1045	Mike, I'm going to restring my 8-string (Junior Brown's C13 w/ high G at the moment) to make it ready for your Speedy DVD What would be the best starting point for the different tunings you plan ...
Topic: Wow- C6 on the 6 string is really great!
Nils Fliegner Replies: 11 Views: 6941	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 5 Sep 2010 12:01 am Subject: Wow- C6 on the 6 string is really great!
Nils Fliegner Replies: 11 Views: 6941	To quote Hank Williams' biographer Colin Escott (about the recording of "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry", done in Cincinnati): "...it was well worth driving 300 miles for Jerry Byrd's st ...
Topic: My sincere thanks to everyone for purchasing my DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 3355	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 29 Aug 2010 11:59 am Subject: My sincere thanks to everyone for purchasing my DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 3355	One of the important points of this next project is that there are 4 tunes all played in different tunings, all using 1 set of strings and 1 neck. Does it mean that there is some retuning at order on ...
Topic: Instead of asking "which tunings on my D-8"...
Nils Fliegner Replies: 6 Views: 2387	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 29 Aug 2010 1:19 am Subject: Instead of asking "which tunings on my D-8"...
Nils Fliegner Replies: 6 Views: 2387	When I was starting out I wasted a lot of money buying new strings to try out different tunings, not realising that most can be accomplished with the same set of strings. So, ignoring "special F ...
Topic: My sincere thanks to everyone for purchasing my DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 3355	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 26 Aug 2010 10:55 am Subject: My sincere thanks to everyone for purchasing my DVD
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 3355	Whoa, Mike! When is your Speedy West DVD-lesson ready to ship/download? That announcement sounds awesome!
Topic: Bigsby vs. Magnatone
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1431	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 18 Aug 2010 12:19 pm Subject: Bigsby vs. Magnatone
Nils Fliegner Replies: 2 Views: 1431	http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix0912/8442_Fretboard_1.jpg As seen on eBay: Am I mistaken or do the fretboard markers on this cheap Magnatone look egg-xactly like the ones that P. A. Bigsby use ...
Topic: Wow- C6 on the 6 string is really great!
Nils Fliegner Replies: 11 Views: 6941	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 14 Aug 2010 6:40 am Subject: Wow- C6 on the 6 string is really great!
Nils Fliegner Replies: 11 Views: 6941	Yeah! Those block chords on "Moanin' The Blues" drew me into lap steel in the first place! ...and the intro on "Walkin' After Midnight"
Topic: Don Helms E13 on a 6 string??
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 8412	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 13 Aug 2010 8:50 am Subject: Don Helms E13 on a 6 string??
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 8412	Another consideration: IMHO it is easier getting out of the vocalists' way with a highpitched E6 than with A6 or even low C6, allthough of course it may depend on the vocalist Then again, I th ...
Topic: Don Helms E13 on a 6 string??
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 8412	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 13 Aug 2010 5:12 am Subject: Don Helms E13 on a 6 string??
Nils Fliegner Replies: 8 Views: 8412	Jon, I recall seeing a picture (here on SGF!) where Don had written out his tunings and string gauges for someone. The E-tuning went (lo to hi): A C# E G# B C# E G#. So even with 8-strings, there ...
Topic: Speedy's "Afternoon Of A Swan" (Update: lesson ava
Nils Fliegner Replies: 41 Views: 17992	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 16 Jun 2010 8:59 pm Subject: Speedy's "Afternoon Of A Swan" (Update: lesson ava
Nils Fliegner Replies: 41 Views: 17992	The tuning is just a plain vanilla C6 Does that mean, hi to low: E-C-A-G-E-C-A-G? Greetings from Germany.
Topic: Rickenbacher model 59 question
Nils Fliegner Replies: 3 Views: 1143	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 16 Jun 2010 6:10 am Subject: Rickenbacher model 59 question
Nils Fliegner Replies: 3 Views: 1143	Hi, I've read somewhere that these old metal-bodied Ricks weight at around 25 lbs. True?
Topic: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 13 Jun 2010 8:53 am Subject: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	Another forum member informs me that Most early Fender 400s had the non-adjustable legs that have one inch threads I can't verify this, as the two early Fender 400s that I have access to both have th ...
Topic: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 7 Jun 2010 2:29 am Subject: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	Okay, after much to and fro I swapped legs of my '59 Fender 400, with a mid-sixties Stringmaster D8, that was in my vicinity. The lowdown: Fender 400 legs will fit Stringmasters, but NOT vice versa ...
Topic: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 31 May 2010 11:59 am Subject: Stringmaster legs for Fender 400?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 4 Views: 1989	I know it might sound insane, but I plan to use a Fender 400 (pedal steel) as a non-pedal-console-whatchamacallit-steel!!! And since I want to play it in a standing position, I'm looking for ...
Topic: New Rickenbacher horseshoe pick-ups?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 7948	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 25 May 2010 8:44 am Subject: New Rickenbacher horseshoe pick-ups?
Nils Fliegner Replies: 16 Views: 7948	Many thanks to all involved, especially J.Wilson for the good news. Mail was sent to Jason Lollar