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8 String 13th Tunings List

Original 13th Tunings
E C# G# E D B - Old Hawaiian E13th The first E13th tuning c. 1937, often "incorrectly" called C#min7th. Evolved from the low bass E6th/C# ...

I just found this great version on Youtube.
I don't know the steeler, bust his performance and tone are great!

"Steelinatune" is forum member Mr. Dale Rottacker. His last upload (White ...

…and not to mention there are endless variations beyond that, for instance, Billy Tonnesen used to recommend Boggs with a High G#

G#
E
C#
G#
F#
D
B
G#

A lot of people think the Don Helms E13th is not a “real” E13th, which classically are tunings with the root on top.
Helms E13th is the same intervallically as the middle 8 of a C6th pedal steel ...

If you don’t like the C up there, you could tune it to B which would certainly be useful, especially for simpler tunes where you don’t need the extra chordal power of the C.

I personally think ...

I don't play the tuning myself, but I made up this chart for myself for reference and I realized it might be interesting/informative for other folks as well.

All the info (string gauges, bottom ins ...

Hi Richard, I am sorry I missed your message on that other thread.
Here is Pete Drake's copedent:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/20481_Pete_Drake_1.jpg

(Paul Franklin said that P ...

My family rescued two kittens like that when I was a little kid.
I wanted to name them Salt and Pepper, but my parents thankfully convinced me ‘Salt’ was a dumb name.

So they ended up being Su ...

Here you go. Also doing a reverse slant!

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/20481_Bernie_Kaai_1.jpg

Another point is individual ambidexterity seems almost impossible to quantify and obviously varies vastly from person to person.

They say lefties are more ambidextrous than righties usually, I don� ...

I play armpit guitar left handed but I play steel right handed.
As a fellow lefty who has heard the “left handed piano” line since I started playing, I sympathize and ultimately you need to decid ...

I found that old thread:
https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/013341.html

Wow a lot of interesting stuff in that thread.
Both Jody Carver and Bobbe Seymour are certain that he did Big Hits o ...

Thanks Dave, I enjoy your pedal steel videos on youtube!

Unfortunately I do not have any pictures... I am sure photos (and probably footage exists) must exist out there somewhere with him playing t ...

I wanted to assimilate some gear history knowledge floating around in my head I read over the years here on the forum.
I thought it might be interesting to some folks.

I am sure that I at one time ...

That Tammy Wynette cut seems to be around when he switched (exclusively?) to the E9th and stopped playing the C6th neck
Before that his signature sound that made him such an in demand player were E9t ...

I highly recommend this blog/website for those interested in modulations, ALL sorts of disparate examples:
https://modulationoftheday.home.blog/2019/06/06/the-chordettes-mr-sandman/

This book teaches C6th with a high G, too:
https://steelguitarshopper.com/mastering-the-lap-steel-guitar-by-rob-haines-book-and-online-video/

I appreciate your response, thanks.
And I see now what you mean about the split with RKR and the A pedal, that is a cool trick!

That should be just about one of the best tunings for any kind of music, but especially western swing.

I never got comfortable doing the behind the bar bends myself, and a lot of the best players o ...

Roger, I have a question for each neck if you don’t mind:

On E9th I remember reading a lot of posts from you over the years about having a separate Isaac’s pedal change on the floor for major 7 ...

Zane Beck tuned his 12 string E13th with pedals as:
G#
F#
E
C#
B
G#
F#
D
B
G#
E
B
Which wouldn’t be a bad non pedal tuning either.

Tommy Morrell played 10 string E13th non pedal:
G# ...

I like volume control knob location, a second arm length's away from the first to the strings.
Could maybe reach around and do volume swells with your foot.

Also, if you thought dropping a pick i ...

Neither of those gentleman used C6th tunings as far as I am aware.
Don Helms preferred E6th, which is like C6th tuned up a major third and Leon preferred A6th.

For better or worse, “custom tunin ...

That looks like a ‘54 or maybe late ‘53, near the end of production trapezoid model.
The “Dark” finished Fender steels switched to ash for both the last of the trapezoid models as well as the ...

Author	Message
Topic: Don Helms
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 1 Views: 25	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 27 Nov 2024 3:23 pm Subject: Don Helms
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 1 Views: 25	https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/20481_IMG_5551_1.jpg
Topic: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 27 Nov 2024 11:38 am Subject: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	8 String 13th Tunings List Original 13th Tunings E C# G# E D B - Old Hawaiian E13th The first E13th tuning c. 1937, often "incorrectly" called C#min7th. Evolved from the low bass E6th/C# ...
Topic: When You Wish Upon A Star
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 14 Views: 794	Forum Section: Tablature Posted: 26 Nov 2024 9:39 pm Subject: Re: When You Wish Upon A Star
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 14 Views: 794	I just found this great version on Youtube. I don't know the steeler, bust his performance and tone are great! "Steelinatune" is forum member Mr. Dale Rottacker. His last upload (White ...
Topic: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 26 Nov 2024 9:28 pm Subject: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	…and not to mention there are endless variations beyond that, for instance, Billy Tonnesen used to recommend Boggs with a High G# G# E C# G# F# D B G#
Topic: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 26 Nov 2024 9:21 pm Subject: McAuliffe E13 vs Helms E13
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 7 Views: 228	A lot of people think the Don Helms E13th is not a “real” E13th, which classically are tunings with the root on top. Helms E13th is the same intervallically as the middle 8 of a C6th pedal steel ...
Topic: Interesting 8 string tuning (I think) Em11(?)
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 3 Views: 159	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 26 Nov 2024 8:06 pm Subject: Interesting 8 string tuning (I think) Em11(?)
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 3 Views: 159	If you don’t like the C up there, you could tune it to B which would certainly be useful, especially for simpler tunes where you don’t need the extra chordal power of the C. I personally think ...
Topic: Latest D13th Universal Copedent
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 1 Views: 170	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 26 Nov 2024 5:50 pm Subject: Latest D13th Universal Copedent
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 1 Views: 170	I don't play the tuning myself, but I made up this chart for myself for reference and I realized it might be interesting/informative for other folks as well. All the info (string gauges, bottom ins ...
Topic: An Old C6th Copedant from Pete Drake - First String G to A
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 4 Views: 497	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 20 Nov 2024 9:50 pm Subject: An Old C6th Copedant from Pete Drake - First String G to A
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 4 Views: 497	Hi Richard, I am sorry I missed your message on that other thread. Here is Pete Drake's copedent: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/20481_Pete_Drake_1.jpg (Paul Franklin said that P ...
Topic: Salt and Pepper
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 2 Views: 514	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 19 Nov 2024 12:08 pm Subject: Salt and Pepper
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 2 Views: 514	My family rescued two kittens like that when I was a little kid. I wanted to name them Salt and Pepper, but my parents thankfully convinced me ‘Salt’ was a dumb name. So they ended up being Su ...
Topic: Cumquat Lives!
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 20 Views: 2092	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 18 Nov 2024 8:32 pm Subject: Cumquat Lives!
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 20 Views: 2092	Here you go. Also doing a reverse slant! https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix2203/20481_Bernie_Kaai_1.jpg
Topic: Lefties playing righty?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 41 Views: 2176	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 11 Nov 2024 10:39 am Subject: Lefties playing righty?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 41 Views: 2176	Another point is individual ambidexterity seems almost impossible to quantify and obviously varies vastly from person to person. They say lefties are more ambidextrous than righties usually, I don� ...
Topic: Lefties playing righty?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 41 Views: 2176	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 11 Nov 2024 10:30 am Subject: Lefties playing righty?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 41 Views: 2176	I play armpit guitar left handed but I play steel right handed. As a fellow lefty who has heard the “left handed piano” line since I started playing, I sympathize and ultimately you need to decid ...
Topic: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 22 Oct 2024 3:10 pm Subject: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	I found that old thread: https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/013341.html Wow a lot of interesting stuff in that thread. Both Jody Carver and Bobbe Seymour are certain that he did Big Hits o ...
Topic: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 22 Oct 2024 2:38 pm Subject: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	Thanks Dave, I enjoy your pedal steel videos on youtube! Unfortunately I do not have any pictures... I am sure photos (and probably footage exists) must exist out there somewhere with him playing t ...
Topic: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 22 Oct 2024 2:01 pm Subject: Curly Chalker and Fender Guitars
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 8 Views: 1268	I wanted to assimilate some gear history knowledge floating around in my head I read over the years here on the forum. I thought it might be interesting to some folks. I am sure that I at one time ...
Topic: Your favorite Pete Drake?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 38 Views: 3804	Forum Section: Steel Players Posted: 18 Oct 2024 7:20 pm Subject: Your favorite Pete Drake?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 38 Views: 3804	That Tammy Wynette cut seems to be around when he switched (exclusively?) to the E9th and stopped playing the C6th neck Before that his signature sound that made him such an in demand player were E9t ...
Topic: Most common modulations? Why?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 17 Views: 1704	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 18 Oct 2024 2:02 pm Subject: Most common modulations? Why?
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 17 Views: 1704	I highly recommend this blog/website for those interested in modulations, ALL sorts of disparate examples: https://modulationoftheday.home.blog/2019/06/06/the-chordettes-mr-sandman/
Topic: A6th Tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1754	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 13 Oct 2024 1:30 pm Subject: A6th Tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1754	This book teaches C6th with a high G, too: https://steelguitarshopper.com/mastering-the-lap-steel-guitar-by-rob-haines-book-and-online-video/
Topic: My new - and final - setup.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 11 Views: 1540	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 12 Oct 2024 5:35 pm Subject: My new - and final - setup.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 11 Views: 1540	I appreciate your response, thanks. And I see now what you mean about the split with RKR and the A pedal, that is a cool trick!
Topic: Playing a 12 String lap steel using an E13th tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1456	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 12 Oct 2024 4:08 pm Subject: Playing a 12 String lap steel using an E13th tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1456	That should be just about one of the best tunings for any kind of music, but especially western swing. I never got comfortable doing the behind the bar bends myself, and a lot of the best players o ...
Topic: My new - and final - setup.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 11 Views: 1540	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 12 Oct 2024 4:00 pm Subject: My new - and final - setup.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 11 Views: 1540	Roger, I have a question for each neck if you don’t mind: On E9th I remember reading a lot of posts from you over the years about having a separate Isaac’s pedal change on the floor for major 7 ...
Topic: Playing a 12 String lap steel using an E13th tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1456	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 12 Oct 2024 2:06 pm Subject: Playing a 12 String lap steel using an E13th tuning
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 12 Views: 1456	Zane Beck tuned his 12 string E13th with pedals as: G# F# E C# B G# F# D B G# E B Which wouldn’t be a bad non pedal tuning either. Tommy Morrell played 10 string E13th non pedal: G# ...
Topic: Unusual huge reso in the UK
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 13 Views: 1211	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 10 Oct 2024 2:41 pm Subject: Unusual huge reso in the UK
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 13 Views: 1211	I like volume control knob location, a second arm length's away from the first to the strings. Could maybe reach around and do volume swells with your foot. Also, if you thought dropping a pick i ...
Topic: Fender Dual Pro 8 C6 tunings.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 4 Views: 698	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 10 Oct 2024 12:10 pm Subject: Fender Dual Pro 8 C6 tunings.
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 4 Views: 698	Neither of those gentleman used C6th tunings as far as I am aware. Don Helms preferred E6th, which is like C6th tuned up a major third and Leon preferred A6th. For better or worse, “custom tunin ...
Topic: Show us your Fender triple necks-or other brands too !
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 59 Views: 16049	Forum Section: Steel Without Pedals Posted: 10 Oct 2024 11:59 am Subject: Show us your Fender triple necks-or other brands too !
Joe A. Roberts Replies: 59 Views: 16049	That looks like a ‘54 or maybe late ‘53, near the end of production trapezoid model. The “Dark” finished Fender steels switched to ash for both the last of the trapezoid models as well as the ...