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If I understand you right, you basically talk about a dedicated half stop mechanism. I made up such a thing, and it stops precisely at the desired half stop position, but if you want it to be a pronou ...

By the looks of it (and you can verify this with _RPXplor) those units are all very compatible, at least as far as those timebased effects go, that are the bread and butter of the PSG player.
I perso ...

Makes lot of sense - I might try that.

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I have the Rp500, fooled with a 355 I think it was named and now use 255 for things steel. They all have audioDNA2 processors at heart that can do incredible things. These days things lik ...

For the record.
This thread is pretty old, but the subject fits here perfectly.

Dick was kind enough to send me the patches he mentioned above, thank you Dick.

I transferred them to a RP255 no ...

Proâ€˜s and conâ€˜s. Maybe It is wise to leave it as it is, and indeed concentrate on having fun playing. Thanks for your viewpoints.

What a song.
ThatÂ´s mastership. What shall I say.
Thanks for the great explanation. I can hear what you say.

Ah yes, this is reverse engineered. Interesting.

May I express my primary question differently: does anybody use the second string C# and in what situation?

Edit: Ian, you were faster. It defies ...

I have recently obtained my new (used) steel and changed around the assignments of the levers.

I come from a U-12, although I never got on with the B6 side of things, so my new steel is an extende ...

Nice Guitar.

It may be of interest in this context, that there is a similar "best tuner" discussion going on over at another board, which has to do with DAWÂ´s.

Its on the Acoustica ...

... and what scale length they have!

May I throw in my years of experience.

The usual ancient Korg needle tuners were phased out right from the start.

I wrote a user review for a Sabine AX-800 Tuner (credit card size) in the nineti ...

I admit I didn't read all the replies in this thread

Common... Laughing

Three decades ago I first started with PSG (I started again several times...). All there was as an information resource was ...

Actually, I have thought about this before.
Nobody mentions scale length.
I have come to the following conclusions for myself: (not trying to create the impression like I know all...)

The tension ...

Probably around 1990, a friend gave me a music magazine. They had an article in there about lap steels. I was immediately intrigued by that, and I tried to find every piece of information there was - ...

Jim was my friend for nearly 30 years now.
In Times, when Scottyâ€˜s magazine was still alive (and indeed I have contributed a few articles to) I was in a big confusion over tuning the steel. It ...

Jan Visser, who made my PSG, monitors this thread. He lets me know that with aluminium necks (which I have) the tension of the screws that mount the neck to the body can play a role. Just for completi ...

As Ben has said, he used stock .011â€˜s. I found out that the ones used for PSG are a higher quality, usually with the suffix â€špgâ€˜. See my previous post. The standard ones will blow. T ...

I was close to surrendering. Last thing that came to mind (grasping for straws) was tightening the return spring on string #4. This seems to alleviate the problem. The string is no longer as piercing ...

After more scrutinization I landed with the following conclusion:

What I called "sitar effect" is more aptly called "string zing", a subject that has been attended to here about ...

As I said initially, the changer head looks like new and it does appear on all plain strings from 1-5 in various degrees.

Ah, "string zing", now we are coming closer. Sometimes it is just ...

I was thinking about this but I looked if there was a less invasive method.

But what you say proves that the problem exists on older guitars too, which is reassuring for my theory.

Funny that it ...

Ah I understand.

Actually, I had the suspicion that the big radius of the changer is providing such a gradual roll-off that the string does not have a small enough and well defined fulcrum point, ...

Never heared of that. Looked it up, it appears to be some b-bender for electric guitar. I donâ€˜t see the connection, could you elaborate on that?

This max explain why thinner strings exhibit more of that â€žringâ€œ, since heavier strings donâ€˜t flex that easy and are a bit away from their pivoting point before any excursion appears ...

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Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 6 Aug 2021 9:46 am Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	If I understand you right, you basically talk about a dedicated half stop mechanism. I made up such a thing, and it stops precisely at the desired half stop position, but if you want it to be a pronou ...
Topic: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 4 Aug 2021 1:08 pm Subject: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	By the looks of it (and you can verify this with _RPXplor) those units are all very compatible, at least as far as those timebased effects go, that are the bread and butter of the PSG player. I perso ...
Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 3 Aug 2021 1:12 pm Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Makes lot of sense - I might try that.
Topic: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 3 Aug 2021 1:08 pm Subject: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	ðŸ˜‚ I have the Rp500, fooled with a 355 I think it was named and now use 255 for things steel. They all have audioDNA2 processors at heart that can do incredible things. These days things lik ...
Topic: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 3 Aug 2021 7:39 am Subject: Digitech RP150 Patches/Settings Files
Helmut Gragger Replies: 86 Views: 53989	For the record. This thread is pretty old, but the subject fits here perfectly. Dick was kind enough to send me the patches he mentioned above, thank you Dick. I transferred them to a RP255 no ...
Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 30 Jul 2021 4:34 am Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Proâ€˜s and conâ€˜s. Maybe It is wise to leave it as it is, and indeed concentrate on having fun playing. Thanks for your viewpoints.
Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 29 Jul 2021 12:20 pm Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	What a song. ThatÂ´s mastership. What shall I say. Thanks for the great explanation. I can hear what you say.
Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 29 Jul 2021 8:40 am Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Ah yes, this is reverse engineered. Interesting. May I express my primary question differently: does anybody use the second string C# and in what situation? Edit: Ian, you were faster. It defies ...
Topic: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 28 Jul 2021 11:37 pm Subject: Universal E9/B6 2nd string half stop
Helmut Gragger Replies: 22 Views: 4413	I have recently obtained my new (used) steel and changed around the assignments of the levers. I come from a U-12, although I never got on with the B6 side of things, so my new steel is an extende ...
Topic: Best Tuners?
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 9782	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 19 Jul 2021 11:25 pm Subject: Best Tuners?
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 9782	Nice Guitar. It may be of interest in this context, that there is a similar "best tuner" discussion going on over at another board, which has to do with DAWÂ´s. Its on the Acoustica ...
Topic: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 19 Jul 2021 2:28 am Subject: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	... and what scale length they have!
Topic: Best Tuners?
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 9782	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 17 Jul 2021 10:57 am Subject: Best Tuners?
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 9782	May I throw in my years of experience. The usual ancient Korg needle tuners were phased out right from the start. I wrote a user review for a Sabine AX-800 Tuner (credit card size) in the nineti ...
Topic: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 16 Jul 2021 5:11 am Subject: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	I admit I didn't read all the replies in this thread Common... Three decades ago I first started with PSG (I started again several times...). All there was as an information resource was ...
Topic: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 5 Jul 2021 1:21 am Subject: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	Actually, I have thought about this before. Nobody mentions scale length. I have come to the following conclusions for myself: (not trying to create the impression like I know all...) The tension ...
Topic: Maurice Anderson
Helmut Gragger Replies: 14 Views: 7165	Forum Section: Gone Home Posted: 5 Jul 2021 12:53 am Subject: Maurice Anderson
Helmut Gragger Replies: 14 Views: 7165	Probably around 1990, a friend gave me a music magazine. They had an article in there about lap steels. I was immediately intrigued by that, and I tried to find every piece of information there was - ...
Topic: Jim Molberg in New Zealand has left us.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 6 Views: 8580	Forum Section: Gone Home Posted: 5 Jul 2021 12:16 am Subject: Jim Molberg in New Zealand has left us.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 6 Views: 8580	Jim was my friend for nearly 30 years now. In Times, when Scottyâ€˜s magazine was still alive (and indeed I have contributed a few articles to) I was in a big confusion over tuning the steel. It ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 2 Jul 2021 10:17 pm Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Jan Visser, who made my PSG, monitors this thread. He lets me know that with aluminium necks (which I have) the tension of the screws that mount the neck to the body can play a role. Just for completi ...
Topic: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	Forum Section: Pedal Steel Posted: 2 Jul 2021 10:13 pm Subject: String 3 G# keeps breaking!! Please help.
Helmut Gragger Replies: 62 Views: 26880	As Ben has said, he used stock .011â€˜s. I found out that the ones used for PSG are a higher quality, usually with the suffix â€špgâ€˜. See my previous post. The standard ones will blow. T ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 2 Jul 2021 12:16 pm Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	I was close to surrendering. Last thing that came to mind (grasping for straws) was tightening the return spring on string #4. This seems to alleviate the problem. The string is no longer as piercing ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 2 Jul 2021 1:03 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	After more scrutinization I landed with the following conclusion: What I called "sitar effect" is more aptly called "string zing", a subject that has been attended to here about ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 1 Jul 2021 10:02 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	As I said initially, the changer head looks like new and it does appear on all plain strings from 1-5 in various degrees. Ah, "string zing", now we are coming closer. Sometimes it is just ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 1 Jul 2021 8:30 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	I was thinking about this but I looked if there was a less invasive method. But what you say proves that the problem exists on older guitars too, which is reassuring for my theory. Funny that it ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 1 Jul 2021 5:16 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Ah I understand. Actually, I had the suspicion that the big radius of the changer is providing such a gradual roll-off that the string does not have a small enough and well defined fulcrum point, ...
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 1 Jul 2021 2:15 am Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Never heared of that. Looked it up, it appears to be some b-bender for electric guitar. I donâ€˜t see the connection, could you elaborate on that?
Topic: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	Forum Section: Electronics Posted: 30 Jun 2021 12:37 pm Subject: Strange string overtones, sitar like, on PSG
Helmut Gragger Replies: 26 Views: 4291	This max explain why thinner strings exhibit more of that â€žringâ€œ, since heavier strings donâ€˜t flex that easy and are a bit away from their pivoting point before any excursion appears ...